I'm so excited about the Chevy Volt!

[Wild Cobra]

Germans are going to pay through the nose, but be well insulated from the energy inflation the world will experience as Asian and African standards of living get to the point where they start consuming more energy, which they are both really beginning to do now.

This is a distinct possibility, but I still wouldn't bank on it.

[RandomGuy]

Well, I disagree. I will contend that hydrogen explosions are more dangerous than gasoline fires.

I don't think you are anywhere near qualified to be able to make that claim if you are trying to say the specific technology in question is more dangerous than gas engines now.

To meet the level of proof for that, you would have to have crash data for gas powered vehicles, as well as specific extensive crash data for the kinds of technologies being proposed.

You might be able to find the former, but I know you don't have the latter.

You will, however, blather on about chemical energy, as if that means all though. Sure, hydrogen, per weight, has more chemical energy, if I recall correctly.

So ing what?

Do you have any crash data about the tech these people are talking about?

[RandomGuy]

This is a distinct possibility, but I still wouldn't bank on it.

If your energy mix includes proportionately less fuel whose price is increasing, you will spend less overall.

Hand-wavy dismissals are not something I would ever bank on, either.

[TeyshaBlue]

Do you have any crash data about the tech these people are talking about?

[pgardn]

If you say so.

The loan is repayed.

Thats a failure?

And to the poster above, you altered my avatar...

[Wild Cobra]

I can plug it in at my house and now the energy to run my car can come from coal instead of gasoline!

OK, now is three years later...

You have solar panels...

Any change in thoughts?

[CosmicCowboy]

OK, now is three years later...

You have solar panels...

Any change in thoughts?

Not really. There are only about 1000 residential solar PV systems installed in SA and besides, my house already uses all the energy it produces.

[RandomGuy]

Not really. There are only about 1000 residential solar PV systems installed in SA and besides, my house already uses all the energy it produces.

So you got it installed about three years ago, do you think it has been worth it?

From everything I have been able to tell, as an investment the returns tend to be pretty good, since they are tied to electricity price inflation.

[boutons_deux]

texas lags way behind in distributed solar, typical for such a retrograde Repug red state

California solar installations jumped 26% in 2012

California had a banner year in solar installations in 2012, bringing the state 391 megawatts closer to its goal to install 3,000 megawatts by 2017.

According to a California Solar Initiative progress report by the Public Utilities Commission, those additions represent a 26% growth from 2011. The state is now equipped to produce 1,629 megawatts of solar energy across completed projects at nearly 168,000 sites -- enough to power 150,000 homes.

Evan Gillespie, a deputy director with the Sierra Club’s Beyond Coal Campaign, said the progress was significant. “We had our largest year ever for rooftop solar with nearly 400 megawatts. That’s more than most states have to date,” he said. “That in itself is critical.”

The initiative is a rebate program for the state’s investor-owned utilities -- Pacific Gas and Electric, Southern California Edison and San Diego Gas and Electric -- with the broad goal of making solar a self-sustaining market in California. It’s the largest program of its kind in the U.S., with a budget of nearly $2.4 billion, according to the report.

http://touch.latimes.com/#section/5/.../p2p-76635228/

There's huge battle between utilities with their centralized power generation business model against Human-Americans wanting distributed solar.

[Th'Pusher]

Sorry about the Think Progress source, but I find it amusing the Koch brother are now at odds with the baggers over solar.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...gia/?mobile=wp

[Wild Cobra]

Doesn't sound like a real Tea Party organization to me, but one of the several stealing the name concept.

They want mandates and price controls on the solar energy.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Doesn't sound like a real Tea Party organization to me, but one of the several stealing the name concept.

They want mandates and price controls on the solar energy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

[CosmicCowboy]

So you got it installed about three years ago, do you think it has been worth it?

From everything I have been able to tell, as an investment the returns tend to be pretty good, since they are tied to electricity price inflation.

I just put it on line in January.

I was out of pocket a little less than 10 grand and it saves me about $90 a month at current rates. It will pay for itself in 9 years and continue to produce energy for 25. Assuming no major equipment failures it's a good deal IMHO.

[TeyshaBlue]

texas lags way behind in distributed solar, typical for such a retrograde Repug red state that leads the nation in wind generated power

fify, idiot.

[boutons_deux]

fify, idiot.

the future is DISTRIBUTED solar in compe ion with centralized power generation, IDIOT stalker.

[TeyshaBlue]

Don't confuse mocking with stalking, moron.
I really don't think about you very often.

lol retrograde.

[Th'Pusher]

Doesn't sound like a real Tea Party organization to me, but one of the several stealing the name concept.

They want mandates and price controls on the solar energy.

Don't be ridiculous. Just looking at her you can tell she's a bagger.

[Th'Pusher]

[Th'Pusher]

^^ That's a T-bag if I've ever seen one.

[TeyshaBlue]

Parts of me completely disappeared.

[Wild Cobra]

I just put it on line in January.

I was out of pocket a little less than 10 grand and it saves me about $90 a month at current rates. It will pay for itself in 9 years and continue to produce energy for 25. Assuming no major equipment failures it's a good deal IMHO.

If you're interested in more green energy, consider one of these:

[boutons_deux]

I was thinking about a small wind turbine, but after lots of resarch, I don't have enough wind

http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects...ndResource.htm

http://www.windspireenergy.com/news/...ll-wind-power/

One of the big scams is these vertical turbines that are sold as starting "turning even at low wind speeds", but there's no significant wind energy at low speeds. Fine for trickle charging a starter battery or running lights on a yacht, but insufficient for residential.

So I'm sticking 4.5 Kw of solar panels, which should give about 3.7 Kw after inversion in peak hours.

[Drachen]

Boutons is a red state bubba vrwc mic abc easy 123 felatio fellater since he is copying what CosmicCowboy is doing

[RandomGuy]

I just put it on line in January.

I was out of pocket a little less than 10 grand and it saves me about $90 a month at current rates. It will pay for itself in 9 years and continue to produce energy for 25. Assuming no major equipment failures it's a good deal IMHO.

The converter will probably need to be replaced in about 15 years, the panels themselves will crank out appreciable amounts of power for 50 or more, albeit at a slowly declining rate.

--based on everythign I have researched, and I do care about all the system costs.

[RandomGuy]

I just put it on line in January.

I was out of pocket a little less than 10 grand and it saves me about $90 a month at current rates. It will pay for itself in 9 years and continue to produce energy for 25. Assuming no major equipment failures it's a good deal IMHO.

My gut says electricity costs in Texas will go up a tad faster than overall inflation. I would guess that will shorten your payback time by a few months.

The rolling brownouts and droughts will force companies to expand capacity, and that ain't cheap. At least all the wind power they are building doesn't use water.