Well done timvp, well done.
Yeah my bad. For some reason I thought you were directing your comment at DGP. Sorry. Yeah, I agree with you. People automatically assume that one is a Manu hater if you don't agree with their blind faith in Manu.
So yeah, to all of those that are calling us Manu haters:
Jesus christ try and put 2 and 2 together next time . I'm arguing that Manu was overpaid. I brought up Duncan's 50% cut to show that Manu deserved less given that he didn't perform nearly as well as Duncan did.
Well, inheritance taxes become pretty steep after the first $3M or $5M or so. But yeah, $50M+ net is more than enough to ensure an upper class lifestyle for your progeny forever.
The Spurs haven't won a le going on 7 years now and year in and year out they try with the same team.
Your wording was a little misleading.
It's the most stupid thing in the world to want the big 3 to leave at the same time, they didn't arrive at the same time and are not attached at the hip, it's stupid.
Beli is probably gonna be better than tosb Manu this season, they blew their capspace to sell tickets and jerseys...
Did everyone forget that the NBA is a business?
How much money do you think the Spurs make from selling tickets. Full season, sell-out every home game.
Now, how many salaries (players, admin, etc...) can they pay with that?
Most of the money comes from tv deals (ask the Lakers). That is where Manu's value comes in.
So, if you are in charge of a company, will you let a guy who brings money by getting tv stations overseas
interested in showing the games walk?
Let's say they "only" give Manu $5 m/year. And he goes to, say, Clippers. Not only you are losing money, you are
directly helping a compe or to make more money than you do. Because they will think about money, and know
that people are going to follow Manu even if he only plays 5 minutes per game. They will still tune in.
This money is not for what he can do on the basketball court. This is business.
Do you also believe you know more than Holt &co. about business?
Yeah I guess I should've been more clear. I'm using definition #1 when I say "pay cut" to mean a numerical cut in salary from the previous year.
"Pay cut" as it's being used in this thread can also mean a cut in salary relative to market value.
Why can't championships and business go hand in hand? Manu taking less $$$ and trading Bonner would have yielded a better FA signing such as Jarrett Jack (not that FO was interested in him) or AK47. Manu WAS NOT going anywhere, I mean no way in that any contender team would overpay Manu $14M as we did. I think Manu is loyal enough to not leave the Spurs but not loyal enough to give us a discount.
You ask questions which we will never get answers for. Time to move on.
timvp was the one that blew on them ashes. This was bound to happen.
Bruce Blitz doesn't have a YouTube for that?
Yes, it's just a catastrophe that the Spurs are trying to hang on to all the veterans they can to keep the team compe ive as Tim finishes his career. What are they thinking?
ive said the same on here. It would be interesting Ginobili would be perceived if he was a hippie, Anglo looking dude from the US. people would most likely be far more critical of his brainfarts and unreliability. However, him speaking Spanish has also elevated his appeal, which sells more jerseys, so I guess that's a big reason for the overpaying.
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I realize this is kind of a semantics issue, but you can say that he's received fair deals and still believe that there have been years when it turned out that he was underpaid or overpaid -- which is to say, years where his production per cap figure was an exceptionally good deal, or a not-so-good deal. That's not the same thing as the "he took less than he could have" argument at all, of course.
I've echoed this sentiment many times but I just get called a hater tbh CoMers are a raibid group and even though I mention numerous times Ginobili is my 2nd favorite player ever and I wanted him back all they can focus is on the fact that I/you/a lot of us think he is overpaid and kinda ed us this offseason in terms of getting a decent FA
to me the stupid things about all this ing with manu's salary-
A) lets assume manu took the vet min... for what? so the team could throw 8-9 mill at AK? do you people realize that he would play even less than manu being behind leonard, has always been a lesser player than manu(even being 4 years younger), and his skillset doesnt fix the spurs biggest problem in the finals (secondary playmaker)? to spend 10m+ on monta blackhole cant shoot for ellis? even for 10 million, name one player who could be the secondary playmaker better than manu... The only possibility is Jack, and while he might be able to fit the reality is he also has large warts to his game (no concept of D as in manu's open game winner, and a tendency to chuck up terrible shots. just go to a gsw forum during the PO, most people wanted to hang him).
B) A lot of people are talking about timmy's sacrifice and manu underperforming while being the highest paid player. When manu was playing with a broken nose in the 2010 playoffs, timmy and tony got their pushed in by a pathetic suns team (not the frikin heatles). that year, manu was making less than half of timmy' salary, 4 million less than that got RJ and 2 mill less than parker. should manu have lost faith in timmy and tony and the FO then? where were all the people crying about timmy's 22 million salary? (I do remember plenty of people were ready to bury timmy, but I dont recall anyone talking about his salary). 2010-11, manu was UNDOUBTEDLY the best player on this team and he made less than duncan and parker, again almost half of duncan's salary.
C) Manu absolutely sacrificed for this team. first by letting pop use him as a 6th man (only to throw him into the starting lineup everytime hit the fan), which is not a small thing. Second, he wasted a lot his prime carrying a bunch of garbage players, like bogans, RMJ, RJ, udoka, bonner, elson, corpse of finley etc etc etc. You really think that a guy like jarret jack would have been able to lead the playoff charge in 09-10 (when manu signed his extension and went on a crazy run to finish the season) with teammates like that? Its very nice that leonard, green, and splitter have come along so nicely, but just a few years back (amd for several years runnning) the spurs had absolute outside the big 3, and manu didnt have the luxury of playing most of his minutes with parker and duncan the way they did together.
d) i've seen people go on and on about games 6 and 7 of the finals. look at this:
Tony parker averages games 6 and 7:
14.5 pts 17.5 FGA 1.5 reb 6 ast 1 TO 2.5 stl .257 FG
39.6 minutes
Manu ginobili averages games 6 and 7:
13.5 pts 8.5 FGA 3.5 reb 4 ast 6 TO .5 stl .471FG
34.9 minutes
yes, manu's TO were an issue. but so was Parkers' shooting. who had more expectation going in, manu or parker? who was the team's leader, main scorer, and who had been reduced for the past two years to being an assist man for 20 minutes a night?
I'm willing to bet anyone that parker in 5 years can't play a season with a PER of 19/16.5 rs/po the way manu just did. and dont compare with duncan, first he's a top 10 player all time and second you cant compare his style of play with penetrating guards like tony and manu.
I'm disappointed with manu's PO just like everyone else, but there is no way you can rationally justify blaming manu's struggles for the finals loss and shrug parker's struggles away. outside of a few clutch shots parker was pretty terrible and a shadow of the player he was for the bulk of the season. all that said credit the heat, and applaud the fact we were able to take them to the final minutes of game 7 with an aging big 3 and some kids when most didnt even expect us to reach the WCF.
tp had a sprain hamspring
manu was suppose to be able to be the other creator
manu had sprained hammys all season, and is in the twilight of his career not his god damn prime. if parker was so beat up he could have passed the ball more instead of getting stuffed 7 times in the series.
manu's TO numbers would have looked a lot better if he forced bad shots instead of trying to set other people up for open shots.
manu's to + blocked attempts= 23
timmy's to + blocked attempts= 23
tony's to + blocked attempts = 22
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At least this year when Manu's dribbling a football and throwing balloon passes I won't be thinking that the teams' highest paid player is a hack.
Without the amount of minutes that is pretty useless. TP and TD played more minutes than Manu.
tim and tony played about 25% more for the series.
the heats biggest win in the series was the game manu played less than 20 minutes and attempted 6 shots. in fact, games 2 4 and 6 which were by far his worst he shot less than 6 attempts per game.
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