NBA: Biggest Playoff Upsets

[ambchang]

He does. Kobe gets lots of . That is why he is not overrated . Don't get me wrong Kobe fanboys overrate him, haters underrate him. So he is probably rated properly on balance. Kobe is in that second tier of superstar below MJ, Magic Kareem. Alongside Shaq, Tim and LeBron (for now). I think he is near the top of that tier along with Tim but honestly those guys are all great no great disrespect if yall prefer Duncan or Shaq. I can see the Tim case as a stronger argument though.

Give me a bloody break. Kobe is not in the same level as Shaq, Tim and Lebron, he is in the Garnett, Wade strata. Still a great player, but not in the Shaq/Time/Lebron territory where he can will his team to championship(s).

Tier one:
Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Bird

Tier two:
Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Moses

Tier somewhere in 1 or 2 (too tough to tell as they played in the past)
Wilt, Russell, Big O

Tier 3:
Kobe, Garnett, West, Wade, Dirk, MVPau.

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Kobe is not in the same level as Shaq

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

..."I don't forget anything."

[Killakobe81]

Give me a bloody break. Kobe is not in the same level as Shaq, Tim and Lebron, he is in the Garnett, Wade strata. Still a great player, but not in the Shaq/Time/Lebron territory where he can will his team to championship(s).

Tier one:
Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Bird

Tier two:
Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq, Lebron, Moses

Tier somewhere in 1 or 2 (too tough to tell as they played in the past)
Wilt, Russell, Big O

Tier 3:
Kobe, Garnett, West, Wade, Dirk, MVPau.

Again as I stated many times I don't rate guys I never saw and hard to make a case for the guys in tier two over Kobe when he has mire rings than those guys and better numbers in some categories. Personally stats mean little to me but lol outing Kobe with Pau and Wade.

[Killakobe81]

Don't sed how Bird is on a seperate tier from LeBron tbh. Bird has one more ring and one more finals appearance but a case can be made they are very close. Lebron may have my Goat SF spot tbh. Ring two may have clinched it.

[Killakobe81]

And if Kobe is overrated by Laker fan and underrated by Spur fan opposite is true about Pau. Underrated on LG way overrated on here. Great player but amb putting Pau on same tier with Dirk, KG and wade is ing comedy.

[ambchang]

Kobe: 2

Daddy: 1

..."I don't forget anything."

Great management by the Lakers by sending West to the Grizz. Move of the century.

[Killakobe81]

Pau doesn't have a single MVP caliber season on his resume. Wade never won but he had seasons that were worthy. Pau has none. One of the dumbest things posted by a smart person on here tbh ...

[ambchang]

Don't sed how Bird is on a seperate tier from LeBron tbh. Bird has one more ring and one more finals appearance but a case can be made they are very close. Lebron may have my Goat SF spot tbh. Ring two may have clinched it.

Lebron just have too many flaws in his resume, I count failures along with the accomplishments.

I put Bird there because he was the same as Magic, tbh. At his peak, Bird was arguably the greatest there was, on the same level of dominance as MJ and Kareem.

And come to think of it, I will probably put Barkley in the Tier 3 as well. McHale will be fringe tier 3, top of tier 4 category. Drexler will be around there as well.

[ambchang]

Pau doesn't have a single MVP caliber season on his resume. Wade never won but he had seasons that were worthy. Pau has none. One of the dumbest things posted by a smart person on here tbh ...

Don't take it so seriously, MVPau was there to yank your chain.

Still, the most important player on back to back championships, but he just had too much help in Bryant, Bynum, and Odom.

[Killakobe81]

Lebron just have too many flaws in his resume, I count failures along with the accomplishments.

I put Bird there because he was the same as Magic, tbh. At his peak, Bird was arguably the greatest there was, on the same level of dominance as MJ and Kareem.

And come to think of it, I will probably put Barkley in the Tier 3 as well. McHale will be fringe tier 3, top of tier 4 category. Drexler will be around tere as well.

Bird has flaws and you can also argue (which I think u did in your troll thread) LeBron been the best player since MJ and at times even more dominant all around than Bird. Bird was a beast and Magic not far ahead but 5 rings and head to head matter to me. Magic gets a edge in my ranks.

[Killakobe81]

Isiah is always getting left out I like Drexler but Thomas and Moses should always be mentioned before you get to Clyde.

[ambchang]

Bird has flaws and you can also argue (which I think u did in your troll thread) LeBron been the best player since MJ and at times even more dominant all around than Bird. Bird was a beast and Magic not far ahead but 5 rings and head to head matter to me. Magic gets a edge in my ranks.

Magic and Bird are pretty much neck to neck. Bird with a better peak, Magic with the longer peak. Very much like Duncan vs. Hakeem, only thing is that Bird and Magic went h2h.

Also, the Lakers were just the better rounded team with a better coach.

As for Lebron, I still will take Bird's peak over Lebron. Bird was THAT dominant. The only person I would put at the same peak as Bird is Jordan, or maybe Shaq.

[ambchang]

Isiah is always getting left out I like Drexler but Thomas and Moses should always be mentioned before you get to Clyde.

Yeah, forgot about Isiah. Moses is in my tier 2. Loved his game, and I think he was one of the most underrated players of all time (along with the Admiral.

Thomas is a mix bag, his game was too inconsistent, and he was very much a product of the system. At times, he could dominate a game like no other, but when his jump shot is off (which is quite often), you can stop him.

[Killakobe81]

Isiah was best player on back2back champs and beat Bird, Nique, Bernard, Magic and MJ in a playoff series.