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You completely missed the whole discussion and the point of my statement.
I love Kawhi, but your comment is borderline ridiculous. Saying he's currently far better than Horford is bananas.
However, I do feel that Kawhi has a higher ceiling than most people imply.
You completely missed the whole discussion and the point of my statement.
He is at the age now where most get drafted at a young 22 years old, to say he is close to his ceiling and can't learn alot more is just riduclous sir. He has alot to learn at this age and can get ALOT better. EITHER that he gets hurt or just gets lazy and stays the same or doesn't get any better, it could go either way.
No reason Kawhi can't become a first option like McGrady.
[QUOTE=TD 21;6774471]I'm a big George fan and because he carried a level of offensive responsibility this past season that Leonard has yet to, while playing far more minutes and still doing the things Leonard does best at roughly the same level or better in some cases, I'd give him the edge for now . . . but long term, I'd lean towards Leonard, because he's shown, unequivocally, that the higher the stakes get, the better he does.
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What the do you think George did in the series against Miami? Seriously I was impressed by Leonard but wow you are searching really hard and making up (while completely ignoring what George has done) to try and sell yourself that he is better than he is.
Then someone on here (Robz) says that he is boarderline top 5 in a possition that is the strongest in the nba? SF is one of the weakest in the nba! Once you get past the big three (durant, Melo, Bron) youre left with Deng, George, or Pierce as the next three.. which is a pretty big drop off. Those six btw I would take over Leonard and I would take Gay... and going by potential I would take Harrison Barnes, Faried, and MKG... To me Leanord is in the Parsons, Batum, Gallinari, Young, Illiusavia group.
The guy is good.. you got a good player.. but come on!
I mean then another guy basically discredits George for being the main option and credits Leonard for what he does as a third/forth option and thinks the averages and percentages would be the same if he was the first option like George.. I mean wow!
Then some say Pippen like? Have none of you seen Pippen when he was in his prime or something? The only two players I have seen that were Pippen like where T-mac and before he was injured Grant Hill. Do you think Leonard is going to be either one of those???
The guy will be a good nba player.. not a superstar and probably not a star. A damn good player. You don't have to make him into something more than he is and something he isn't to try and say he is a good player.. he is!!
al harringtonesque
Ok. We saw what Kawhi did against deng and the bulls though. You also called faried a small forward, which is weird. Kawhi is light years ahead of ilyasova. Did you not watch the playoffs and finals?What the do you think George did in the series against Miami? Seriously I was impressed by Leonard but wow you are searching really hard and making up (while completely ignoring what George has done) to try and sell yourself that he is better than he is.
Then someone on here (Robz) says that he is boarderline top 5 in a possition that is the strongest in the nba? SF is one of the weakest in the nba! Once you get past the big three (durant, Melo, Bron) youre left with Deng, George, or Pierce as the next three.. which is a pretty big drop off. Those six btw I would take over Leonard and I would take Gay... and going by potential I would take Harrison Barnes, Faried, and MKG... To me Leanord is in the Parsons, Batum, Gallinari, Young, Illiusavia group.
The guy is good.. you got a good player.. but come on!
I mean then another guy basically discredits George for being the main option and credits Leonard for what he does as a third/forth option and thinks the averages and percentages would be the same if he was the first option like George.. I mean wow!
Then some say Pippen like? Have none of you seen Pippen when he was in his prime or something? The only two players I have seen that were Pippen like where T-mac and before he was injured Grant Hill. Do you think Leonard is going to be either one of those???
The guy will be a good nba player.. not a superstar and probably not a star. A damn good player. You don't have to make him into something more than he is and something he isn't to try and say he is a good player.. he is!!
Lets see.. Espn lists him as SF.. Hollinger lists him as SF...
Have you completely ignored Deng the past few years? Or are you just going to say how one did against the other 2 games a year to base that as comparision?
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I'm putting George Right with Melo, Bron and Durrant, I'd actually probably put him ahead of melo in picking a team because he plays defense and isn't as ball dominating. Pierce is done being a star and carrying a team, he'll be a serviceable starter for about 2 or 3 more years and not much more than that. As a pistons fan you see way more of Deng than we do. Deng is more polished right now but I don't see him getting any better, and he from our perspective puts up only marginally better offensive numbers with not as effective defense and more plays called for him.
Pierce is still clutch as ! If we are talking right now who is better all you have to do is answer this question.. do you win the championship last year if you had Pierce instead of Leonard? I think that's pretty hard to say no to.
Agreed with George. I'm actually as much a Pacers fan (lived there for the past 10 years). The guy is everything Melo should of been if he was a winner.
I will take back Illyasova.. for one reason and that's because the guy is one of the worst defenders in the league. Honestly Thadeaus Young is who I would say is a pretty damn good even comparision for Leonard. He may turn into a better player but right now they are extremely comparable.
the tim duncan of sf
I like that and I've said this before too. Sometimes u look at kawhi's box score, and its like wtf? When did he put those stats up?
Leonard has the potential to be one of the best players in the NBA, and the Spurs have a great player to build around for the future.
The Tim Duncan of SF's is a guy named LeBron James.
I know! It's like you watch the whole game and and afterwards you're like when did he put up 12 and 6!!
Clearly you haven't watched. He's the Tim Duncan of 12 and 6 players.
Wow...I'm as biased as the next guy when it comes to Spurs players but what do you guys see that leads you to believe Leonard is gonna be the great player that will be one of the best in the NBA? I think he'll be good...very good...like I said Sean Elliott good. Remember Elliott was a 2 time All Star and NBA Champ and at the pinnacle of his career was averaging 20 points/gm....but he was never one oif the best players in the NBA. Leonard will be like Elliott...great for our Spurs but he's not gonna be a top 5 player in the NBA. To many better players out there.
Hmmm....the projection was his career average when he is done. Like Elliott put up 15 and 5 for his career on 47% shooting. Elliotts scoring pinnacle was 20 points/gm in '95. He was a 2 time All Star and an NBA Champ. Do you think Leonard will surpass Elliott? And why do people use the little rolling on the floor guy like it will help get their point across?
your ceiling projections are 12 points 5 rebounds 80% FT and 45%FG...
do you know his averages this past season?
12 points, 6 rebounds, 83% free throws, 49%FG
so according to you, Kawhi in his sop re season at age 21 has already hit, if not surpassed, his ceiling. your fake spurs fan shtick has grown old. i called you out from the beginning and you've done a poor job concealing yourself as nothing more than a troll posing here
career average =/= ceiling. and quit trying to back urself out of a hole. just admit your ceiling projections were alarmingly low, considering he has already bettered those numbers. and the little guy on the floor is there to tell you that not only are you wrong, but you are so wrong that it is in fact comical
My projections are right on target. Elliott will have a better career than Leonard when all is said and done. Overrate Leonard all you want. He's a good player but he wont be better than Elliott.
nowhere here did i mention elliott. we asked about leonard's ceiling, and you said 12 ppg, 5 rpg, 45% fg, 80% ft. he has already surpassed those numbers. he hasn't reached his ceiling yet and has already surpassed your ceiling projections. just say you were wrong and we can carry on
Where do guys like spursraider come from? Elliott in his 2nd year averaged 16 and 6. Leonard in his 2nd year averaged 12 and 6....but he says Leonard has averaged more than Elliott at this point in their careers.
You obviously need reading comprehension. My projection was for his overall career....if you dont get it...I dont have all night to help you out.
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