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    I heard Stephen Jackson is meeting with the Heat... Waiting to find a source

    Edit: found tweet

    I hope Stephen Jackson signs w/the Heat, Thunder, Clippers, or Rockets so that he can rub it all on the Popsucker faces come playoff time. I hope the 15th roster spot goes to Deshaun Thomas or Antawn Jamison. even better, it be nice if the Spurs can pick up Mo Williams or Al Harrington.

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    Mo Williams is with the Blazers, my , tbh..

    Don't see the Spurs signing Harrington or Jamison with Sir Bonner on the roster, tbh..

    Thomas is fine, 15th man is irrelevant, still a disappointing off-season, obviously, especially following Pop and Parker's horrendous performances in games 6 and 7, tbh..

    Stephen Jackson joining a contender would be great news, tbh, he's one of the worst players in the league..

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    Mo Williams is with the Blazers, my , tbh..

    Don't see the Spurs signing Harrington or Jamison with Sir Bonner on the roster, tbh..

    Thomas is fine, 15th man is irrelevant, still a disappointing off-season, obviously, especially following Pop and Parker's horrendous performances in games 6 and 7, tbh..

    Stephen Jackson joining a contender would be great news, tbh, he's one of the worst players in the league..
    LOL... my bad, I forgot about Mo Williams. As you can see, I haven't been on the internet lately.

    I agree about Stephen Jackson though, he is one of the worst players in the league for the REGULAR season. Don't sleep on him though cuz he can become lethal come playoff time. The man lives for the playoffs. Reminds me a lot of how ty Horry was during the regular season only to turn it on come playoff time tbh.

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    I hope Stephen Jackson signs w/the Heat, Thunder, Clippers, or Rockets so that he can rub it all on the Popsucker faces come playoff time.

    even better, it be nice if the Spurs can pick up Mo Williams
    LOL... my bad, I forgot about Mo Williams. As you can see, I haven't been on the internet lately.

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    Good for Tolliver.

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    Even if a lot of team were interested in Tolliver, Bobcats were the only team that reportedly made him an offer.



    Spurs offered a training camp invite with maybe some guaranteed money to Notre Dame's Jack Cooley but he opted to go in Turkey:
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    Before signing with Turkey’s Trabzonspor, Memphis Grizzlies summer league forward Jack Cooley turned down training camp invites – including multiple partially guaranteed deals – from 10 NBA teams, his agent Adam Pensack told RealGM.

    Cooley had received camp deals and some partially guaranteed offers out of the Portland Trail Blazers, Grizzlies, San Antonio Spurs, Oklahoma City Thunder, Brooklyn Nets, Miami Heat, Los Angeles Lakers, Houston Rockets, Indiana Pacers and Cleveland Cavaliers

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    how's bertans doing?

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    Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
    Hearing: Newly minted free agent Al Harrington is leaning toward signing with Wizards. More to come shortly



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    ^ Joining a contender...

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    Payback!

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    They love to play small and he could defend Splitter pretty easily...

    So Blair went to Dallas, Sjax may go to Houston... At least Neal didn't sign in the division...

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    Averages a double double and 3 blocks to go with it, top 5 MIP and DPOY and only 24 years old but somehow paying him 1M more than Splitter is ridiculous .....................
    Splitter is a better team defender than Sanders' is. Splitter, is actually a much better player overall. The Spurs had the best defensive unit with Parker-Green-Leonard-Duncan-Splitter in the NBA.

    Also Sanders fouls way too much. You can't be a great defensive player when you either block a shot or send someone to the free throw line. His career 5.0 PF per 36 minutes is pretty damn bad for a player who is supposed to be a defensive anchor. Splitters is 3.6 PFs per 36 for his career.

    He'll get 4 years $40 million but its gonna take time for him to become more than a shot blocker. McGee is 26 and is more talented and still hasn't but it all together. He could easily turn into A DeAndre Jordan situation, stops improving and becomes overpayed for an above average skill (shot blocking).

    Career Numbers

    Splitter-18.7 P.E.R, 60.1 TFG% 117 Offensive Rating, 101 Defensive Rating

    Sanders- Career:- 15.8 P.E.R, 49.4 TFG% 101 Offensive Rating, 98 Defensive Rating

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    He's already more than a shot blocker/Ibaka kinda of player, look at his defensive rating... It's better than Splitter who gets to play between Tim Duncan and Kawhi Leonard...

    The kid is already an elite defensive anchor bar none.

    The fact that you have to bring up career numbers because you can't make your point with last season's number is also telling... Only blind homers would take Splitter over Sanders, it's a bad joke to even argue about it.

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    Lol splitter a better defender then sanders

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    Lol splitter a better defender then sanders
    Really? Splitter is a better team defender than Sanders. Don't you find it a bit coincidental that we jumped from 11th to 4th in defensive rating once Splitter joined the starting lineup. The Spurs had by far the best defensive unit in the league when he was on the floor.

    Duncan is 37 and outperformed Sanders at every possible turn on defense. Sanders is 13 years younger and more athletic than Duncan ever was.

    He can't even stay on the floor long enough to be considered an anchor. His 4.3 PF per 36 minutes caused him to only log 27 minutes per game. Duncan averaged 2.7 bpg to 1.5 PF per game in 30 minutes for comparison.

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    He's already more than a shot blocker/Ibaka kinda of player, look at his defensive rating... It's better than Splitter who gets to play between Tim Duncan and Kawhi Leonard...

    The kid is already an elite defensive anchor bar none.

    The fact that you have to bring up career numbers because you can't make your point with last season's number is also telling... Only blind homers would take Splitter over Sanders, it's a bad joke to even argue about it.
    "The kid" fouls like crazy he either blocks a shot or sends someone to the free throw line how exactly is that a defensive anchor? He is a high energy player, who is a natural shot blocker. He still has a ways to go before he can anchor a defense and consistently cover for his teammates mistakes like Duncan, Garnett, Chandler, Hibbert etc. If you think he is already on the same level as those players

    I brought up career numbers because they've played the same amount of years in the NBA. I though that was obvious. Plus it gives a larger sample size making their numbers more accurate.

    because you can't make your point with last season's number is also telling...
    2 best defensive lineups for the Spurs this season...

    Parker-Green, Leonard, Duncan, Diaw- Defensive Rating 94.1
    Parker-Green-Leonard-Duncan-Splitter-Defensive Rating 87.7
    Difference With Splitter -6.4 Defensive rating

    The Splitter lineup was drastically better than the Diaw lineup

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    2 best defensive lineups for the Spurs this postseason...
    Parker-Green, Leonard, Duncan, Splitter- Defensive Rating 90.9
    Parker-Green, Ginobili, Leonard, Duncan-Defensive Rating 107.1

    Difference with Splitter-16.2 Defensive Rating

    Its not like Ilyasova & Mbah a Moute, and are poor defenders either, granted Jennings and Ellis are poor.

    Jennings-Ellis-Mbah a Moute-Ilyasova-Sanders- Defensive Rating 96.4

    Parker-Green, Leonard, Duncan, Splitter- Defensive Rating 87.7

    Difference - -8.7

    Its also worth noting that the Spurs starting lineup allowed opponents to shoot only 40.8% FG, an extremely low number. That unit also allowed only 94 FTA in 363 minutes (every 4 minutes, 20 seconds)

    The Jennings-Ellis-Mbah a Moute-Ilyasova-Sanders allowed 42.8 FG%, and allowed 137 FTA IN 388 minutes (every 3 minutes, 50 seconds on average) in terms of team defense Splitter was definitely better which was my original argument.

    Blind homers? yeah, I'd still take Splitter. He is a better player, that can't really even be debated.

    Sanders has a higher ceiling, but has a lot of work to do to get there. He is also playing for a bad organization (they've been pretty much a non factor for years and also the front office decision making leaves a lot to be desired) that he will likely resign with making his development even more of a question mark.

    Splitter is a great fit for the Spurs, what advantages Sanders has over Splitter,defensively is miniscule compared to the bigger picture. If you want me to go off last season, I'd take a long look at the fact that Splitters True shooting FG% was 8% higher than Sanders.

    Also Splitters defensive win shares for the 12-13 season was 3.5 to Sanders 3.7 not exactly head and shoulders above Tiago likely you suggested.

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    Splitter is a better team defender than Sanders' is. Splitter, is actually a much better player overall. The Spurs had the best defensive unit with Parker-Green-Leonard-Duncan-Splitter in the NBA.
    this sums it up and should be enough if your discussion partner did have a clue.

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    Ilyasova is actually proven to be a poor defender.

    Also why do you say that he can't stay on the floor long enough when you're comparing him to a 20m player...

    That's so dumb it's not even worth my time.

    How hypocrite can yo be to bring up the differential in the PO when the only full series Splitter ever played in his life was against one of the worst offensive team there is.

    And there no point talking about lineups when Milwaukee plays small with Ilyasova and Sanders still easily beats Splitter when it comes to defensive rating.

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    Lol T-Vag lovers .

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    It's pretty easy to make the argument that Splitter is a better defender than Sanders, or at least that it's a wash. As much as you keep repping Sanders' "superior" defensive rating, Splitter's was also elite (15th in the NBA last year compared to Sanders' sixth) and only 1.5 points lower. Both their aggregate defensive win-shares (3.5 for Splitter and 3.7 for Sanders) and their per-48 dWS (.084 for Splitter and .091 for Sanders) are close. Then you can factor in Splitter's effect on the Spurs' team defense and lower foul rate, and it starts muddle everything even more.

    I know you aren't asserting that Sanders is an overall better player than Splitter (though you may well do that soon), but it's really no contest between the two of them. Splitter is one of the best offensive bigs in the league (in terms of ORtg) in addition to being one of the best defensive bigs by DRtg. If you are fine with Sanders getting $40M/4, then you should have been okay with Splitter getting a max contract.

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