Damascus gas attack

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

He is worse than Bush partner. That's fact.

No, that's actually opinion

outing yourself as a right winger

[scroteface]

He is worse than Bush partner

what the is the difference?

[thunderup]

No, that's actually opinion

outing yourself as a right winger

no factual basis to label me a right winger

sensitive bigoted neolib

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

no factual basis to label me a right winger

sensitive bigoted neolib

not having any idea what "neoliberal" means. You must be really in stupid if you think I'm a "neoliberal"

using labels and having no idea what they mean

[HI-FI]

what the is the difference?

scro


not much, though least Bush seemed like an American and it was popular to criticize him. Comedians and media types are still hesitant to really go after Hussein, plus IIRC, the nsa stuff has gotten worse.

[scroteface]

it's racist to attack obama for stuff he is legitimately doing

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

As far as civil liberties and foreign policy I'd agree Obama has been basically as bad as Bush. Renewing the Patriot Act, not closing Gitmo, NDAA, etc. The War in Iraq is the tie breaker as Obama hasn't done something that costly and stupid (yet).

On economic issues Obama has been bad but Bush was still worse. Bush took a net national surplus and an economy at 3% unemployment and made it the worst economy since the great depression with record national deficits.

[scroteface]

As far as civil liberties and foreign policy I'd agree Obama has been basically as bad as Bush. Renewing the Patriot Act, not closing Gitmo, NDAA, etc. The War in Iraq is the tie breaker as Obama hasn't done something that costly and stupid (yet).

On economic issues Obama has been bad but Bush was still worse. Bush took a net national surplus and an economy at 3% unemployment and made it the worst economy since the great depression with record national deficits.

agreed with the rest but it was actually about 4.1 to be fair, i dont think the US has ever had 3% unemployment as long as it's ever been tracked

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah that's prolly right.

One other issue I'll even give to Bush over Obama is the War on Drugs. Bush didn't really do anything one way or the other while Obama filled the DEA with nanny state assholes who send on SWAT teams to arrest in marijuana users.

Out of all the black leaders in this country Cornel West is the only one to call Obama out for increasing racist drug enforcement to its highest level ever. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton know it's happening and don't say a word about it even though they both have the national stage to actually put pressure on Obama to end the War on Drugs as a 2nd term president with no reelection to worry about.

[DPG21920]

McCain is actually not bad on economic issues, arguably better than Obama tbh. He's just a senile neocon who'd bankrupt this country with wars, so his economic views don't matter rofl rofl.

Back in 2008 I didn't expect Obama to be a neoconservative Wall Street . Maybe that was naive, but Obama certainly campaigned differently than he acted.

Even still, there's no way I could have brought myself to vote Sarah Palin a heart beat away from the presidency.

Not that it's really related to the topic, but . Arguably better? Obama is an awful President who has no idea what he is doing both domestically and foreign.

Also, welcome to American politics. Campaigns are well run marketing campaigns designed to actually make people think someone will do what they say. For someone who is probably smart, you should know not to vote on what you hear during the campaign tours.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Not that it's really related to the topic, but . Arguably better? Obama is an awful President who has no idea what he is doing both domestically and foreign.

as if John the plane crasher McCain would have known what he was doing. He couldn't even find a vice presidential candidate who knew Africa was a continent.

Also, welcome to American politics. Campaigns are well run marketing campaigns designed to actually make people think someone will do what they say. For someone who is probably smart, you should know not to vote of what you hear on the campaign tours.

In 2008 I voted off which candidate didn't pick a re -making bimbo as his running mate, which candidate's voting record didn't go with Bush 90% of the time, and which candidate was voting against the war in Iraq from the start. Who did you vote for? It's not like I picked Obama over some amazing alternative.

FTR, in 2012 I voted 3rd party, which I'll definitely do again in 2016 if H-Rod is the Democratic candidate.

[DPG21920]

I didn't vote. There was no one worth my vote. My point is Obama is an awful President IMO and he has shown repeatedly that he has no idea what he's doing economically, with foreign policy or with just about anything. I also think people are so funny when they allow someone who is clearly not qualified to be president persuade them with campaign jargon and cheerleading.

People get focused on the weirdest stuff when they should be focused on the debt, economy and major issues that impact our country. It's hilarious how someone kissing a baby will win people over

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I didn't vote. There was no one worth my vote. My point is Obama is an awful President IMO and he has shown repeatedly that he has no idea what he's doing economically, with foreign policy or with just about anything. I also think people are so funny when they allow someone who is clearly not qualified to be president persuade them with campaign jargon and cheerleading.

Obama didn't persuade anybody. The partial-birth abortions he was running against are what persuaded people. In a two party system you just need to be the lesser of two evils which is pretty easy to do when you're running against Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan or John McCain and Sarah Palin.

People get focused on the weirdest stuff when they should be focused on the debt, economy and major issues that impact our country. It's hilarious how someone kissing a baby will win people over

There's a giant elephant in the room that's the cause for America's obsession with sentimental bull and weird stuff like kissing babbehs and being the "Guy you wanna have a beer with!" that you don't see in countries like Britain, Germany, Canada or Japan. The ironic part is it's an elephant you'd never want to address.

[Clipper Nation]

In a two party system you just need to be the lesser of two evils

And that's exactly why this stupid-ass two-party system is entrenched, tbh.... instead of voting for an evil, people need to stop being lazy and do some ing research, and maybe actually consider third parties instead of swallowing all the that the DNC and GOP serve us....

I disagree that Obama was the "lesser of two evils" against McCain or Willard - anyone with a brain could see that there was really no major difference between the two, tbh....

[DPG21920]

Obama didn't persuade anybody. The partial-birth abortions he was running against are what persuaded people. In a two party system you just need to be the lesser of two evils which is pretty easy to do when you're running against Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan or John McCain and Sarah Palin.


There's a giant elephant in the room that's the cause for America's obsession with sentimental bull and weird stuff like kissing babbehs and being the "Guy you wanna have a beer with!" that you don't see in countries like Britain, Germany, Canada or Japan. The ironic part is it's an elephant you'd never want to address.

Well despite everything else, IMO, Mitt was way more qualified than Obama despite the fact people seemed to hate him personally. I cared about 3 issues give or take and Mitt seemed better equipped to deal with those economic issues. Obama is like Jim Buss.

[cheguevara]

They have physical evidence of actual gas ie clothing, blood, tissue and urine samples. They have doctor interviews as well. The conspiracy in this case is that the rebels somehow got the chemical weapons and then used them on themselves as the Russians, Iranians, as well as some fools at this board contend.

let me be the one to break it to you. the rebels are in possession of chemical weapons which they got from Lybia:
http://larouchepac.com/node/27875

On January 28, 2013, the website Land Destroyer published do ents allegedly "hacked" belonging to the U.K.-based defense contractor Britam, which show the company considering an offer from Qatar to use Libyan chemical weapons in Homs, Syria. Land Destroyer reports that "The plan involves using Britam's Ukrainian mercenaries and Soviet-era chemical weapon s s brought in from Libya's large, Al Qaeda-linked, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) controlled arsenals."

If you want to compare it to Iraq, I would also further point out that both France and Germany are on board with the findings unlike the unilateral action that Bush took. I suppose they are in on the conspiracy to get the US to go to war by having the rebels gas themselves. But hey I guess conflating the two men and their policies is fun anyway.

France, UK and the rest or Europe are a joke and nothing more than US pawns. Their economy is ed, so now they do the US bidding like pathetic slugs. They need US to bail them out.

oh and Germany is NOT on board:
German Chancellor Angela Merkel has stated that the civil war in Syria must be resolved with political means, opposing suggestions for international military intervention.

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=153121

It's like the stupid take earlier of the rebels getting wiped by Assad when the attack took place in fighting in the outskirts of Damascus ie the seat of Assad's power.

what's stupid is thinking the UN is acting correctly by not looking into the Khan Al-Assal site of which there is resounding evidence of a chemical attack by the rebels. Instead the dogs France and UK rewrite a request to Syria to allow UNLIMITED access to the inspectors, thus stalling the inspection.

[angrydude]

As far as civil liberties and foreign policy I'd agree Obama has been basically as bad as Bush. Renewing the Patriot Act, not closing Gitmo, NDAA, etc. The War in Iraq is the tie breaker as Obama hasn't done something that costly and stupid (yet).

On economic issues Obama has been bad but Bush was still worse. Bush took a net national surplus and an economy at 3% unemployment and made it the worst economy since the great depression with record national deficits.

At least Bush knew how to blow a god damn bubble into the economy. Obama can't even do that right.

[angrydude]

I voted for Gary Johnson because I saw an ad where he promised to stop droning people. Good enough for me.

[TDMVPDPOY]

wouldnt it be better to have assad take out the rebels/muslim brotherhood/alqueda?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

On January 28, 2013, the website Land Destroyer published do ents allegedly "hacked" belonging to the U.K.-based defense contractor Britam, which show the company considering an offer from Qatar to use Libyan chemical weapons in Homs, Syria. Land Destroyer reports that "The plan involves using Britam's Ukrainian mercenaries and Soviet-era chemical weapon s s brought in from Libya's large, Al Qaeda-linked, Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG) controlled arsenals."

So you are going by alleged, uncorroborated do ents that a Libyan based AQ organization has chemical weapons to claim that the Syrian rebels then used to gas themselves. Nice.

Oh and from your sources about page.

Lyndon LaRouche and LaRouchePAC continue to sound the certain trumpet on both the nature of the current collapse and a viable solution to it. It is now undeniable; as the euro continues its free fall amidst increasing ungovernability, threatening to pull the entire world economy down with it, the threat of thermonuclear warfare, sparked by the tinder box of the Middle East with a crazed puppet Obama, blazes stronger everyday. Reporting on these facts at this point, as many are doing now, is simply describing symptoms of the sickness.

France, UK and the rest or Europe are a joke and nothing more than US pawns. Their economy is ed, so now they do the US bidding like pathetic slugs. They need US to bail them out.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has stated that the civil war in Syria must be resolved with political means, opposing suggestions for international military intervention.

Show me where it says they believe the rebels gassed themselves. Actually show me something credible that the rebels gassed themselves. You Armageddon blog didn't even do that.

[cheguevara]

So you are going by alleged, uncorroborated do ents that a Libyan based AQ organization has chemical weapons to claim that the Syrian rebels then used to gas themselves. Nice.

it's the more plausible explanation. Assad had nothing to gain from the use of chemical attacks and everything to lose. On the other hand rebels had everything to gain and nothing to lose.

Oh and from your sources about page.

so what? any child could easily deduce that rebels have chemical weapons in Syria:
- Libyan Al-Qaeda rebels went to Syria to fight - fact
- These same rebels were in possession of chemical weapons in Libya - fact
- These same rebels brought their weapons they stole from Lybian army via Qatar and are using them in Syria - fact

now you are telling me you believe they decided not to bring their chemical weapons because they want to fight a clean fight?

"Hey mohameed, should we bring our chemical weapons?"
"nah bro, we are the good guys, we don't roll like that..."

Show me where it says they believe the rebels gassed themselves. Actually show me something credible that the rebels gassed themselves. You Armageddon blog didn't even do that.

never said that. Just disputing your claim that "germans are on board with US, UK, France" that is BS

[pgardn]

Not that it's really related to the topic, but . Arguably better? Obama is an awful President who has no idea what he is doing both domestically and foreign.

Also, welcome to American politics. Campaigns are well run marketing campaigns designed to actually make people think someone will do what they say. For someone who is probably smart, you should know not to vote on what you hear during the campaign tours.

So you voted for Obama based on his campaign.
Got it.

[pgardn]

Obama didn't persuade anybody. The partial-birth abortions he was running against are what persuaded people. In a two party system you just need to be the lesser of two evils which is pretty easy to do when you're running against Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan or John McCain and Sarah Palin.


There's a giant elephant in the room that's the cause for America's obsession with sentimental bull and weird stuff like kissing babbehs and being the "Guy you wanna have a beer with!" that you don't see in countries like Britain, Germany, Canada or Japan. The ironic part is it's an elephant you'd never want to address.

The biggest elephant is the atheist or agnostic.

People asked when will a black man ever become elected...
I ask, when will an admitted atheist or agnostic become president?

[DPG21920]

So you voted for Obama based on his campaign.
Got it.

Huh?

[Wild Cobra]

Back in 2008 I didn't expect Obama to be a neoconservative Wall Street . Maybe that was naive, but Obama certainly campaigned differently than he acted.

Even still, there's no way I could have brought myself to vote Sarah Palin a heart beat away from the presidency.

They all do.

You have too look at what the history of their actions, not what they promise.