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Because it was six years ago.
Obama Wants Regime Change in Syria, It's Not Just About the WMD
We’re already militarily supporting the rebels.
The punishment-bombing (she calls it a “spanking”) of al-Assad’s forces won’t interfere with that ongoing support, and by implication, the two are intended to work together.
There’s a fundamental dishonesty in the debate about Syria derived from treating the authorization to punish Bashar al-Assad for chemical weapons use in isolation from the Administration’s acknowledged covert operations to support the rebels. …
[T]he Administration is pursuing publicly acknowledged (!) covert operations with the intent of either overthrowing Assad and replacing him with moderate, secular Syrians (based on assurances from the “Custodian of the Two Mosques” about who is and who is not secular), or at least weakening Assad sufficiently to force concessions in a negotiated deal that includes the Russians.
I think these provisions together cons ute congressional acknowledgement that the President has cons utional authority, independent of the AUMF, to use military force to defend against the acknowledged threat to U.S. national security interests posed by the Syrian acquisition and use of WMD. … Note that this very broad congressional acknowledgment of presidential power does not suggest any geographical limitation.
The last “Whereas” clause [in the AUMF] is the broadest such clause I have ever seen. I believe that the notion of a congressional “whereas” acknowledgment of independent presidential power in an AUMF is a Bush-era innovation. (I have not seen such clauses in pre-Bush-era AUMFs.) But the Senate’s draft “Whereas” clause is much broader than the analogous ones during the Bush era.
1. The Pentagon and administration want this war, and since they already acknowledge that they’re arming selected rebels (“lethal support”), the stated cause behind the soften-him-up bombing — al-Assad used “gas on his own people” — is just a side-show.
The real show is regime change, with an attempt to install rebel “moderates” in power, and block out the extremists.
2. This may end very badly. The problem? No Shi’ite in or out of Syria sees any of the rebels as a friend. From the NY Times:
The war in Iraq has already inflamed sectarian tensions, emboldening [Syrian] Sunni extremists to raise the tempo of attacks against the Shiite-dominated [Syrian] government, while also motivating [Iraqi] Shiite men, with support from Iran, to travel to Syria to fight alongside the government forces and their ally, the Lebanese Shiite group Hezbollah.
Note that in the minds of the Iraqi Shi’ites, according to the Times, they are both hated, both enemies. This is a game with many players. Picture a chinese checker board, with temporary alliances among the players, but each ultimately playing for themselves and their separate goals.
http://truth-out.org/news/item/18674...-about-the-wmd
iow, a real mess, ethnic and of course religious hatreds.
I'd say with USA, France, Israel, Sunni countries like Saudi Arabia, the Arab League wanting Iran's satellite wanting the Assads taken down, it's inevitable.
As with Iraq-for-oil, WMD is a pretext, not a reason.
If the Repugs were in the WH, they'd be all for war, but since its's Dem n!gg@, they will impeach him AND will fail, looking as stupid as they were when they impeached Clinton.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 09-08-2013 at 08:17 PM.
Because it was six years ago.
The evidence says the Syrian government.
Period
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croflSA210 is really in my head, do yall see how butthurt I am over his ownage of me, I can't even talk about the topics at all.. It's bad enough everyone agrees that I'm a carbon wannabe copy of a loser chump and can't think for myself nor contribute anything to the forum other than suckage, which makes me even more pathetic, there is only one thing that can help me feel better..I guess what I'm trying to say is..
Will you my wife, please??
They said sarin was used. Now the EU has come on and said Assad used them.
The world has moved on so arguing with conspiracy nitwits such as yourself is pointless. I am moving on as well.
I agree that we don't need to enter another conflict with no clear way of accomplishing a meaningful objective within reason. You're still a dumbass nonetheless..
Why is it America's responsibility or duty to make a regime change in Syria? Shouldn't that be Syria's problem? It's their ed up country. Leave them alone and let them figure it out.
I'll wait for the weapons inspectors to make their report.
When it comes to acts of war, starting a war, especially when USA, and the countries around Syria want Assad gone for other reasons than unproven WMD usage on his own people, I don't go along with groupthink. Spanish-American war, Tonkin Gulf, Iraq were all bull , bogus wars for American imperialism. Syria very likely is the same. All these m/e countries are backwards, corrupt holes, which is even worse that high-tech, corrupt USA.
Do you realize how you found out that WMD's were lacking in Iraq?
Ask yourself how you determined this to be true?
You had to rely on sources. What really made you believe? A comic book? Your standard fruitcake sources to fulfill what you already WANT to be true? Ask yourself. And then ask yourself what the most reliable sources are and WHERE they are based.
You can't handle the truth if it does not fit your ideology. You are as screwed up as bible thumpers who can't handle evolution. And you don't even realize it. You don't want to know the truth if it messes with your preconceived notions. You can't handle the truth if it makes you uncomfortable.
This is why you are a fruitbat. You take a stand based on your preconceived notions. The evidence stands against your preconceived notions and stance. You retreat to the fruitbat colony of fanciful media to find anything you can. Say it ain't so... Say it ain't so... My God is false. It should make you sick. But you don't mind lying to yourself because its comforting. You can't possibly be wrong. It would screw with your worldview that is static. You are as bad as the Texas textbook committees you despise. Must feel good...
"WMD's were lacking in Iraq?"
of course. dubya/ head/rummy/neocons LIED their way into Iraq for oil, told the weapons inspectors, who couldn't find the WMD THAT DIDN'T EXIST, to get out, then the US military confirmed that the WMD WERE NOT IN IRAQ.
Oh...
So now you believe the US military? Of course, because it fits. BTW the Iraqi's had gas.
And you also realize many conservatives insist there were WMD's because there was some gas. Some believe tales of vast quan ies of biological weapons. Still. They have their favorite fruitbat sites just like you. Lookem up. And just like you, they don't want the facts as we now know them.
So here is the line from the beginning:
1. Reports of massive gassing in Syria. False US reports
2. Large numbers of Syrians dead no signs of wounds. Look closer, it can't be.
3. Gassing confirmed. , the US did not invent this, it's the Rebels.
4. Rebels might have gas, but almost no capability of distributing it as it was. It's a lie made up by th US
and here we stand.
All signs point towards the military. Was it a rogue commander? Must be a rogue commander, Assad would never do this, it doe not make sense. Did Saddam not allowing inspectors in make sense at the time if he did not possess WMD's?
Personally at this point I am waiting to see if this was ordered or "use at the field commanders discretion". I could be wrong, but this is where I am.
In your heart you wish this was a big US plot.
"BTW the Iraqi's had gas"
btw, the USA has gas.
btw, the USA is the biggest death/weapons monger on the planet.
btw, the USA used WMD in Iraq, aka, depleted uranium which is still ing up Iraqis.
btw, the USA used WMD in VN, which is still ing up Viet Namese and US vets.
"So now you believe the US military"
if the US military had found Saddam's WMD, do you think they would have kept it secret?
We both need to get to work now.
I need to supply the US people with a service they deem important.
Do you think if they did NOT find WMD's they would have kept it secret? Oh , they let it out. Lets make up some insane story about the reasons the US lied. You know they really did have WMD's...
This is the other side of the fruitbat coin, but you dismiss this.
Get to work.
NOW.
"Do you think if they did NOT find WMD's they would have kept it secret"
did dubya or head make any WH announcements about the US military NOT finding WMD, at the same volume and intensity they had when LYING that Saddam has WMD? IIRC, the non-finding sorta dribbled out, and the MSM didn't run with it.
John Kerry Is Getting Relentlessly Mocked For Saying Syria Strikes Will Be 'Unbelievably Small'
BRETT LOGIURATO SEP. 9, 2013, 10:06 AM
Making the case for intervention in Syria to a war-weary American public, Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that the strike will be "unbelievably small" — a comment that has already earned him relentless mocking in its immediate aftermath.
"We’re not going to war. We will not have people at risk in that way," Kerry said during a press conference in London with UK Foreign Secretary William Hague, according to a transcript released by the State Department.
"We will be able to hold Bashar Assad accountable without engaging in troops on the ground or any other prolonged kind of effort in a very limited, very targeted, very short-term effort that degrades his capacity to deliver chemical weapons without assuming responsibility for Syria’s civil war.
"That is exactly what we’re talking about doing – unbelievably small, limited kind of effort."
Kerry's comments are a microcosm of the poor job the Obama administration has done trying to explain the rationale for intervention. On one hand, they realize they are dealing with a "war-weary" public skeptical of engaging in another Middle East conflict.
On the other hand, Kerry has made repeated comments casting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad as the greatest villain of the 21st century, in response to an alleged chemical-weapons attack against his own people on Aug. 21. The U.S. says the attack killed 1,429 people, including 426 children.
In a blistering statement unveiling the evidence the U.S. had against Assad, Kerry called him a "thug" and a "murderer." He has also made repeated comparisons of Assad to Adolf Hitler and Saddam Hussein. He has also said this is a "Munich moment" for members of Congress deciding whether to grant President Obama the authority to carry out limited strikes.
Kerry earned immediate fire from even supporters of the administration's plan, including Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee.
"I don't understand what he means by that," Rogers said when asked to analyze Kerry's comments Monday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
"This is part of the problem. That's a very confusing message. Certainly a confusing message to me — that he would offer that, as somebody who believes this is in our national security interest."
http://www.businessinsider.com/john-...r-assad-2013-9
Lingering Doubts Over Syria Gas Attack Evidence
he U.S. government insists it has the intelligence to prove it, but the American public has yet to see a single piece of concrete evidence - no satellite imagery, no transcripts of Syrian military communications - connecting the government of President Bashar Assad to the alleged chemical weapons attack last month that killed hundreds of people.
In the absence of such evidence, Damascus and its ally Russia have aggressively pushed another scenario: that rebels carried out the Aug. 21 chemical attack. Neither has produced evidence for that case, either. That's left more questions than answers as the U.S. threatens a possible military strike.
The early morning assault in a rebel-held Damascus suburb known as Ghouta was said to be the deadliest chemical weapons attack in Syria's 2 1/2-year civil war. Survivors' accounts, photographs of many of the dead wrapped peacefully in white sheets and dozens of videos showing victims in spasms and gasping for breath shocked the world and moved President Barack Obama to call for action because the use of chemical weapons crossed the red line he had drawn a year earlier.
Yet one week after Secretary of State John Kerry outlined the case against Assad, Americans - at least those without access to classified reports - haven't seen a shred of his proof.
There is open-source evidence that provides clues about the attack, including videos of the rockets that analysts believe were likely used. Some experts also think the size of the strike, and the amount of toxic chemicals that appear to have been delivered, make it doubtful that the rebels could have carried it out.
The Obama administration, searching for support from a divided Congress and skeptical world leaders, says its own assessment is based mainly on satellite and signal intelligence, including indications in the three days prior to the attack that the regime was preparing to use poisonous gas.
http://readersupportednews.org/news-...ttack-evidence
Obama's top aide says the administration lacks "irrefutable, beyond-a-reasonable-doubt evidence" that skeptical Americans, including lawmakers who will start voting on military action this week, are seeking.
"This is not a court of law. And intelligence does not work that way,"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3893223.html
Oh neat, you're laughing at your own quote change.
TSA thinks you're amusing, so at least there's that.
Almost as amusing as watching you follow him around without still having formed an opinion on the topic at hand.
So you're following me following him without giving me your opinion and the basis for it.
How fruitful of you.
I've stated my opinion on Syria numerous times in this thread and others.
So is Obama gonna continue to be Bush's clone and bomb the out of Syria, or will he step up and stop being a proud egotistical prick and admit defeat on this ?
Sorry, I don't care enough to search for it.
if you don't want to tell it to me when I directly ask for it, don't pretend like you genuinely want my opinion. Just be honest and admit you're being fruitless.
pretty bad ass
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