2013 Patriots Thread

[monosylab1k]

The Tuck Rule was bull , and before the Patsfans tell me I'm "just salty about their success" again, note that I hate the Raiders just as much....

I agree 100% that the Tuck Rule is bull . But the rule is the rule and it was called properly that day.

[Avante]

BRADY'S LEFT HAND ON THE BALL IS IRRELEVANT. Your reading comprehension is .

Also, the reason most people think it's a "blown" call is because nobody bothered to read the rule. They followed on like the sheep they are. Just because it's a bad rule doesn't mean it shouldn't be enforced. People think just because it's a ty rule that it's a bad call. Absolutely not. It's a ty rule that was absolutely called correctly if you ever bothered to read the actual rule.

Wrong!

That was a fumble and everyone saw it as did the officials on the field as they have said.


Walt Coleman: "There wasn't much conversation with the other officials because everybody's looking at something different. Nobody sees the action of the quarterback except me. Based on what I saw and the information that I had, I ruled it as a fumble. If you ruled it incomplete you could not correct that with replay. That's basically just the way we were trained."

[spurraider21]

BRADY'S LEFT HAND ON THE BALL IS IRRELEVANT. Your reading comprehension is .

Also, the reason most people think it's a "blown" call is because nobody bothered to read the rule. They followed on like the sheep they are. Just because it's a bad rule doesn't mean it shouldn't be enforced. People think just because it's a ty rule that it's a bad call. Absolutely not. It's a ty rule that was absolutely called correctly if you ever bothered to read the actual rule.

The tuck rule was the bull t they spewed to cover for a blown call. Brady pumped, tucked the ball back in, resecured the ball, then got drilled and it came out. The whole "tucking" motion was over with. I've seen many teams get ed over by officials in various sports, but at least the victors could acknowledge the blown call.

[HI-FI]

The tuck rule was the bull t they spewed to cover for a blown call. Brady pumped, tucked the ball back in, resecured the ball, then got drilled and it came out. The whole "tucking" motion was over with. I've seen many teams get ed over by officials in various sports, but at least the victors could acknowledge the blown call.

You could tell by Brady's body language he knew that he ed up. Belicheat referenced the tuck rule, saying it was called earlier in the year on Testeverde. But in that situation, it at least looked like Testeverde was trying to make an incomplete pass. Brady just got ing drilled and blindsided.

Tuck Rule has to be the worst call in professional sports in 20 years. I can't even think of number 2. I'm no Raiders fan, just that call was absolute bs. Patriots got lucky though, they were riding that post 9/11 jingoism, same thing that got patriot act passed, so Brady dodged a huge bullet. I can't even think of that call being used since then, at least not in a situation where the QB clearly fumbled the ball.

[Chinook]

I agree 100% that the Tuck Rule is bull . But the rule is the rule and it was called properly that day.

Just in case you didn't know, the Tuck Rule is officially gone as of this year. It died a symbolic death during the Ravens-Broncos game last playoffs when Manning didn't get the benefit of the call, but the owners officially voted it out during the off-season.

[Clipper Nation]

Tuck Rule has to be the worst call in professional sports in 20 years.

Terrible call, but not the worst in the past 20 years by a longshot.... all of Super Bowl XL, the Hochuli Game, all of Game 6 in 2002, etc....

[spurraider21]

You could tell by Brady's body language he knew that he ed up. Belicheat referenced the tuck rule, saying it was called earlier in the year on Testeverde. But in that situation, it at least looked like Testeverde was trying to make an incomplete pass. Brady just got ing drilled and blindsided.

Tuck Rule has to be the worst call in professional sports in 20 years. I can't even think of number 2. I'm no Raiders fan, just that call was absolute bs. Patriots got lucky though, they were riding that post 9/11 jingoism, same thing that got patriot act passed, so Brady dodged a huge bullet. I can't even think of that call being used since then, at least not in a situation where the QB clearly fumbled the ball.

Yeah I remember that reference bill made. I think they showed that on the "top 10 controversial calls" special. Brady knew it was a fumble lol. What's crazy is they overturned the call on the field. If they made a bad judgement call whatever, but it's gotta be indisputable evidence to overturn.

Another awful call was the missed PI on the giants/niners game on the botched field goal. At least mariucci owned it with the infamous "bummer" comment

[monosylab1k]

The tuck rule was the bull t they spewed to cover for a blown call. Brady pumped, tucked the ball back in, resecured the ball, then got drilled and it came out. The whole "tucking" motion was over with. I've seen many teams get ed over by officials in various sports, but at least the victors could acknowledge the blown call.

You clearly have never read the actual rule.

[monosylab1k]

If they made a bad judgement call whatever, but it's gotta be indisputable evidence to overturn.

There was.

[spurraider21]

You clearly have never read the actual rule.

Rofl. Every raider fan has read the rule 100x over. If his arm is moving forward or in the motion of "tucking it back into his body" it was an incomplete pass. Brady had completed the tuck motion before losing the ball. The tuck rule doesn't mean you can pump fake then be immune from fumbling for the duration of the play

[HI-FI]

Terrible call, but not the worst in the past 20 years by a longshot.... all of Super Bowl XL, the Hochuli Game, all of Game 6 in 2002, etc....

2002 is probably number 2. It might be more drastic, but I think we're more used to prolonged bs calls in the NBA, Stern has desensitized us, whereas in the NFL that was such an iconic moment, not something made in the heat of the moment. SB XL was pretty bad, i remember everyone at my SB party started rooting for Seahawks, even I felt bad for them. It was hilarious how all the media angles were about Bettis and Detroit, Seahawks were getting no respect. Hochuli game was bad but it was a RS game plus it's the Chargers .

[monosylab1k]

Rofl. Every raider fan has read the rule 100x over. If his arm is moving forward or in the motion of "tucking it back into his body" it was an incomplete pass. Brady had completed the tuck motion before losing the ball. The tuck rule doesn't mean you can pump fake then be immune from fumbling for the duration of the play

So you didn't read the rule.

[spurraider21]

So you didn't read the rule.

Yes I have. Can't recite it off hand though. Sorry

[monosylab1k]

Yes I have. Can't recite it off hand though. Sorry

Obviously not if you think Brady's left hand is relevant to the rule.

[spurraider21]

Obviously not if you think Brady's left hand is relevant to the rule.

I mentioned his left hand once about 8 posts ago. He did tuck the ball, but all motion of him bringing back the ball into his body had been completed. In fact, once his left hand touched the ball, it was no longer moving. Ball not moving = not tucking. Even the Germans fessed up to the holocaust but pats fans can't just say "we got away with one"

[monosylab1k]

I mentioned his left hand once about 8 posts ago. He did tuck the ball, but all motion of him bringing back the ball into his body had been completed. In fact, once his left hand touched the ball, it was no longer moving. Ball not moving = not tucking. Even the Germans fessed up to the holocaust but pats fans can't just say "we got away with one"

And this post proves you either haven't read the rule or can't comprehend it.

[spurraider21]

So if at the moment of impact/ball comes out, if the ball is stationary it's still incomplete?

[monosylab1k]

So if at the moment of impact/ball comes out, if the ball is stationary it's still incomplete?

Not that it matters since the ball wasn't "stationary", but yes. Did you read the rule or not?

[spurraider21]

Not that it matters since the ball wasn't "stationary", but yes. Did you read the rule or not?

NFL Rule 3, Section 22, Article 2, Note 2. When [an offensive] player is holding the ball to pass it forward, any intentional forward movement of his arm starts a forward pass, even if the player loses possession of the ball as he is attempting to tuck it back toward his body. Also, if the player has tucked the ball into his body and then loses possession, it is a fumble.

[spurraider21]

Brady completed the tuck, the ball was stationary as he got his left hand on the ball. Then he got hit and ball came out

[monosylab1k]

Brady completed the tuck, the ball was stationary as he got his left hand on the ball. Then he got hit and ball came out

so you finally read the rule, but apparently you never actually saw the play.

[TIMMYtoZO]

Honestly, Welker almost changed the outcome of the Ravens game. His muff gave the Ravens free points, and his "drop" almost killed another drive when Baltimore had the momentum.

still allowed 2 touchdowns to Welker despite a rough debut
looking for moral victories
had a rough June and having an even tier start to September

[spurraider21]

so you finally read the rule, but apparently you never actually saw the play.

Not sure what warrants the there. I finally took the time to copy/paste it for you. He clearly completes any "tuck" before the ball comes out. I haven't gotten into a heated tuck argument for a long time. I only brought it up because you spewed some about how you were a few fluke plays away from a post-spygate win. The fact that you can't accept what your eyes tell you (and what I conveniently bolded in the rule I pasted) tells me you aren't worth arguing with

[Chinook]

still allowed 2 touchdowns to Welker despite a rough debut
looking for moral victories
had a rough June and having an even tier start to September

What does that have to do with anything? It's true that Welker gave the Ravens seven points, and he almost cost his team seven more at a time when the Broncos needed to respond. The game literally could have been different had Harbaugh challenged. But it wasn't. It's not like I'm making excuses or saying the Ravens deserved to win, like a lot of Broncos fans did after the divisional round. It happened, and now it's time to move on to the next game.

I'd say something about Eli choking against the Cowboys, but I don't even know if you're a Giants fan this year.

[thunderup]

I mentioned his left hand once about 8 posts ago. He did tuck the ball, but all motion of him bringing back the ball into his body had been completed. In fact, once his left hand touched the ball, it was no longer moving. Ball not moving = not tucking. Even the Germans fessed up to the holocaust but pats fans can't just say "we got away with one"

Partner he's a ing got ass cheatriots fan. Of course he won't fess up to the technicality you bring up. Till this day, that's arguably the worst call I've ever seen in the NFL. The cheats shouldn't even have been in the superbowl that year.