Is there a Bible/ New Testament expert in the house?

[Skull-1]

The Skull "Breed" of christians crack me up - they hate the "church goin'" christians even more than they hate atheists or muslims

If only Angel_Luv was still here...

I only have jurisdiction over those within my faith. I can't tell a Muslim, Jew, or atheist what to do because I am prohibited from it. They're God's responsibility, not mine. Those within my faith who have wrecked it (and many families) through lies, distortions, hypocrisy, and ignorance are the ones I oppose righteously. And just like was done to the prophets of old, none of them much listen to me either. So be it.

[Skull-1]

Show precedence for that assertion. Where else has order and a food chain been made to exist that required order after all other measures failed?

"Gone" is a misnomer. The material that makes up the Sun has and will always exist in some shape or form. It's not gone. Even in entropy there will be near zero energy at any given point but the universal sum total energy will be the same as it was in the singularity. Energy conservation laws dictate that.

When a tree dies, it's gone after a while. Does that mean it goes from order to disorder? No. You need to define "order".

I don't have to show precedence for that assertion. Go read a science book. THE SYSTEM IS GONE. " Matter is neither created nor destroyed." Yadda yadda yadda. I know second grade science. Order is a scale. A dead moon on one end for example, and a thriving planet with millions of species on the other. But even that microsystem decays. You can go down or up in size and find entropy. From a human body to a solar system to the universe....

[Skull-1]

At least Pope Francis walk's the talk, unlike some of the pseudo theologians on here.
And we all know who they are!

Pope Francis has about as much credibility as a Christian as Stalin.

[DMC]

I don't have to show precedence for that assertion. Go read a science book. THE SYSTEM IS GONE FOOL. " Matter is neither created nor destroyed." Yadda yadda yadda. I know second grade science.

Oh but you do. I don't need to go read a science book to know that assertions such as the one you made require a foundation.

Since you understand conservation principles, how can you say that, because the same matter and energy cover a larger spatial plane, it's in disorder? How does the proximity of matter to other matter make it more or less ordered?

Can you describe a disordered universe?

[The Reckoning]

but god said on the first day "let there be light" and since the speed of light is such an important component in matter and energy, everything was created.




MIND .

[Skull-1]

Oh but you do. I don't need to go read a science book to know that assertions such as the one you made require a foundation.

Since you understand conservation principles, how can you say that, because the same matter and energy cover a larger spatial plane, it's in disorder? How does the proximity of matter to other matter make it more or less ordered?

Order and disorder start at the molecular level and go all he way up to the universe. A body. A planet. A solar system. *EVERYTHING* breaks down eventually.

I am not here to discuss science. I don't really care to get into it.

I was a sci-fi novelist for a time and delved quite deeply into the subject for a number of decades. I have friends with expertise in everything from orbital mechanics to nuclear physics. I am personal friends with men who walked on and/or orbited the moon. I know Stephen Hawking, who may or may not be considered brilliant by you. Matters not to me.

Science has never been a threat to my belief in God, but, rather, makes me laugh at anyone who thinks the Bible is a history book--while at the same time solidifying my faith in a Creator. And He didn't have to do it in any way that defies objective science. He wrote Bernoulli's Principle long before there was ever a single person alive by that name. I am content to leave it there.

[The Reckoning]

but science is god's fingerprints


and i knew Dumbledore before he was assassinated. such a travesty.

[Skull-1]

but science is god's fingerprints

My religion (the Gospel) can co-exist perfectly with science. Their religion (science) cannot seem to coexist with the Gospel. That's their issue not mine. And their choice. I DO NOT CARE.

[The Reckoning]

nothing wrong with deism tbh

[Proxy]

The conviction that a god exists (not belief) is brought on by exposure and meditation on the concept, and band-aided by apologetic exegesis and the ability to ignore contradictory evidence revealed through science. Eventually the discerning mind drifts away from the conviction, else it goes mad.

well said... looks like you've got this, so no reason for me to repeat similar sentiments in a less cultivated manner

[Skull-1]

well said... looks like you've got this, so no reason for me to repeat similar sentiments in a less cultivated manner

There is no contradictory evidence "through science" unless you are a biblical literalist (which I am not). The Bible is NOT a science book nor a history book.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You are an idiot. The certainy of the words like PORNEIA is based on their context, cross referenced in MULTIPLE parts of scripture, not just INTERNALLY within Matthew, but also the entirety of the Gospels and Epistles. And to pass judgment IS my place among believers. It is commanded. You, are a moron.

They were written by multiple people and translated by multiple people. There is no template to crosscheck against. You can sit there and call me stupid all day long but we both know nobody buys that. OTOH, I can call you incredibly naive and people will buy that.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Paul was taught everything by Jesus as direct revelation. Jesus called them "Testimony" (of Himself) and "Prophecy". AKA *NOT* LITERAL. Paul called them "Jewish Myths" and "Fables." Again, NOT LITERAL. So I will stand with Jesus not just once, but twice. As Himself in the flesh and again through Paul directly.

Jesus was dead when Saul wrote all of his .

[silverblk mystix]

No it doesn't. Begging the question is circular reasoning. Blake's comment might lead you to that question, but it doesn't beg it. Stop misusing terms you don't understand.

Intolerance of the intolerant isn't the same as being the intolerant. If you had the ability to reason you'd not be poking assholes for a living.

So semantics is all you got?

Lol

Intolerance of the intolerant is most def the same in thing as intolerance.

But let's go deeper than that - you don't even understand what intolerance is - and I wouldn't expect a Bigot to ever understand the true meaning of it - it is something you cannot understand.

So I won't waste my time.

[Blake]

I wouldn't even think it was my job to handle bigots - but - for the sake of argument - let's say this is what you wanted...

Of course you don't. I think you've made it clear on any number of occasions that you're a bigot yourself.

I would venture a guess that if I was carrying hatred and disdain for them - I probably failed before even starting.


Wouldn't you think it might be more effective - to understand them before approaching? - But maybe - even back up a little - wouldn't it be more effective to understand yourself first - before being able to understand them?

Then , maybe, approach them - once you got rid of all your upsets and all your hatred and disdain....

It does not mean that you would actually agree with them or even think any better of them - but at the very least - you would be approaching them with a clear perception of what you were trying to accomplish and you would also be more effective if you weren't just there to satisfy your emotional needs/issues/hate/disdain

I understand them just fine. There are three things that a number of prominent Christian leaders still try to push on political leaders:

1. All abortion is bad
2. Gays shouldn't marry
3. Creationism

I've done my homework on these three things. They all suck and keep our society from moving forward.

If you want to sit on the sidelines and allow bigotry to go on and science to be oppressed, no problem, it's your right to do so.

[Blake]

Well, the pope did say to leave gays alone.

Protestants don't

[Blake]

Paul was taught everything by Jesus as direct revelation. Jesus called them "Testimony" (of Himself) and "Prophecy". AKA *NOT* LITERAL. Paul called them "Jewish Myths" and "Fables." Again, NOT LITERAL. So I will stand with Jesus not just once, but twice. As Himself in the flesh and again through Paul directly.

wut.

Jesus made it pretty clear he believed in the OT and the OT prophecies. It's irrelevant in this case what you think Paul thinks since Jesus words trump Pauls.

[Blake]

You are confusing evangelism with the gospel. Small c christianity is a plague. The truth of the Gospel is not what is taught in church every Sunday. Evangelists are the modern day Pharisees. They are fools.

I'm not seeing anything useful coming from your brand of christianity either.

[Proxy]

There is no contradictory evidence "through science" unless you are a biblical literalist (which I am not). The Bible is NOT a science book nor a history book.

No worries. Didn't assume any of that.

doesn't make sense to add the event of an omnipotent thing existing when it falls outside the standard model (which does make it contradictory evidence). Big Bang occurred because change was needed. The catalyst for change doesn't need to be alive or conscious.

Religion is comforting to believe in though.

[silverblk mystix]

Of course you don't. I think you've made it clear on any number of occasions that you're a bigot yourself.

Think and judge to your hearts' content - it makes no difference.



I understand them just fine. There are three things that a number of prominent Christian leaders still try to push on political leaders:

1. All abortion is bad
2. Gays shouldn't marry
3. Creationism


Apparently - the only thing you seemed to understand was how to pre-judge them on what their beliefs appear to be. Which is basically looking at their surface and pre-judge them based on your programming and conditioning and likes/dislikes/preferences - and since theirs collide with yours- bingo - you have enemies!

I've done my homework on these three things. They all suck and keep our society from moving forward.

Homework? Seriously? You learned what formulas they use and concluded that your formulas were superior? Pretty much describes what every participant does in every conflict in every part of this sick society. My god is better than your god - so I will kill you - lol.

If you want to sit on the sidelines and allow bigotry to go on and science to be oppressed, no problem, it's your right to do so.

If changing the world is your destiny or your vocation in life - be my guest - but take the obstruction out of your eye before you go and make the problem worse - is all I am saying.
How can you go out to change problems you don't even understand? Or battle/fix/change/defeat people you cannot even see? All you see is your labels and pre-judgements of them and the formulas that they represent - but make no mistake - they are no worse - and just as blind as you are. If you enjoy pissing in the wind - go right ahead - because this is all you are doing by attacking what you don't understand and accusing those you do not understand and fixing a world you haven't yet really seen.

[Blake]

There has to be order for their to be something so advanced as a food chain or life cycle. And as the sun runs out of fuel is goes supernova and everything is gone. Order to disorder. A messy desk doesn't spontaneously clean itself up. A being has to do it.

Ah cool, the ol' "imagine if a print shop exploded and fell perfectly into a fully functioning set of encyclopedias! That's what evolutionists and atheists want you to believe happened!!!"

Good stuff.

[xmas1997]

It is pointless to argue religion, or faith, or theology, or whatever you want to call it.
Why?
Because no one ever changes their opinions. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one, and no one thinks theirs stink!
And also because it is just another useless exercise in trying to prove you are superior, so you can feel superior. When in actuality, we are all the same. Individually, we are different, but as a species, we are all the same.
That is why it is important to be tolerant of other people's beliefs.
And how you feel inside yourself, and what you believe to be true in your mind, is in fact, your own personal reality, it is FACT to you, even if the whole world sees things differently.
This is true no matter how many people disagree with you, or whether the facts contradict you or not.
So ........ it is what it is.
I am, That I Am.

[Blake]

If changing the world is your destiny or your vocation in life - be my guest - but take the obstruction out of your eye before you go and make the problem worse - is all I am saying.
How can you go out to change problems you don't even understand? Or battle/fix/change/defeat people you cannot even see? All you see is your labels and pre-judgements of them and the formulas that they represent - but make no mistake - they are no worse - and just as blind as you are. If you enjoy pissing in the wind - go right ahead - because this is all you are doing by attacking what you don't understand and accusing those you do not understand and fixing a world you haven't yet really seen.

nah, you don't understand me or christianity. You also have no clue what's going on in the world around you.

Don't pretend you do, hypocrite.

[Blake]

Pope Francis has about as much credibility as a Christian as Stalin.

You have even less

[Skull-1]

You have even less

Like I care what you think, troll. You are just a rabble rouser stirring things up to make a stink.