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    The 10% that approve of Congress now, are they mostly Repug or Dems?
    They're morons. Problem is, no one approves of congress as a body, but plenty of people approve of they're individual congressperson

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    The Disarray, Dysfunction, and Legislative Blundering of the Congressional GOP

    By Reihan Salam




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    Peter Suderman has a clear explanation of “the disarray, dysfunction, and legislative blundering” that is plaguing the congressional GOP. He observes that Republicans have nothing like a workable legislative strategy, because a determined group of GOP lawmakers refuses to acknowledge that a legislative minority can only do so much:



    The trick will be to work effectively within those limits, exploiting clear opposition weak points and pushing for narrow victories that stand some change of being accomplished. …


    But what Cruz and many of his allies in the defunding fight have done is just the opposite. They have gone big—on rhetoric, on theatrics, on policy requests. And they have stoked demand for grand showdowns amongst many of their supporters, making it harder for those who might prefer more targeted battles to proceed. They’re getting the showdowns. But they’re not getting much else.


    Right now the GOP has no strategic or tactical savvy. Instead, the party has a surfeit of bluster.
    The left-of-center Bloomberg Businessweek correspondent Joshua Green, meanwhile, is rooting for a government shutdown, in part because it will clarify whether or not the U.S. public approves of the Republicans’ efforts:
    One powerful driver of Washington dysfunction is the certainty among partisans of both camps that Americans secretly agree with them and would rally to their side during a shutdown. In April 2011, when Republicans first demanded concessions to pass a continuing resolution, many hoped for a shutdown because they thought the Tea Party movement that had rebuked Democrats in the midterm elections would rise up once again. Today, many Democrats want a shutdown because polls show Republicans would be blamed. Some Republicans disagree. “I think Americans would side with the people who are fighting against a law they know is unfair,” says Heritage Foundation president Jim DeMint, the godfather of the “defund Obamacare” movement. A shutdown would make clear who is right and who is wrong, removing the temptation for another showdown.
    But Green also speculates that a shutdown might demonstrate that what he calls “the current system of negotiation-by-public-threat” is politically toxic, and that congressional Republicans might step back from the brink.


    To state the obvious, Republicans are facing a collective action problem. Successive rounds of budget brinkmanship are redounding to the benefit of a small number of Republican lawmakers, who are building their profile and fundraising on the strength of their theatrics. At the same time, successive rounds of budget brinkmanship risk undermining the political prospects of Republican candidates in compe ive districts, and they might undermine the GOP brand more broadly.


    My sense is that the disarray and dysfunction currently on display in Congress flows from campaign finance regulations that have weakened broad-based, national political parties while strengthening solo political entrepreneurs. Many of us hope that some future Republican presidential nominee will be able to impose order on the GOP’s congressional wing. But it is just as easy for me to imagine a popular Republican president facing ferocious attacks from a minority of opportunistic legislators aided by allied independent expenditure groups.


    http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda...p-reihan-salam

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    counterpoint:

    In recent weeks, Cruz and Sen. Mike Lee of Utah worked with the Senate Conservatives Fund on ads about defunding Obamacare. Cruz and Lee in the videos implored conservative voters to tell their senators to defund Obamacare.

    Now, the Senate Conservatives Fund is running attack ads in the states of reluctant Republican senators. “Republicans in Congress can stop Obamacare by refusing to fund it. But Senator Lamar Alexander refuses to join the fight,” a typical SCF radio ad says. “It’s time for Lamar Alexander to start listening to us and not his friends in Washington.”


    You can see why other Republican senators wouldn't like this. You can see why they don't like Cruz and Lee playing ball with these outside groups. And you could see how this dynamic could hurt the Republican Party.
    But here's the Tea Party interpretation of this anger: “Senators don't like to be held accountable,” Matt Hoskins, president of the Senate Conservatives Fund wrote me in an email this week. “They don't like it when their voters find out that they aren't doing everything possible to stop Obamacare.”


    Mike Needham, president of Heritage Action, compares the recent changes in political dynamics to the changes in music after the Internet and Napster. In the mid-1990s, the big record labels benefited by being a bottleneck through which listeners had to get music. The Internet has democratized the distribution of music, and the oligopoly of the large labels has crumbled.



    Senators and congressmen used to have a near-monopoly on explaining Congress to their cons uents. They could say they were trying to repeal Obamacare, while really they were casting symbolic votes and walking away from any real fights.
    Heritage Action, FreedomWorks, Club for Growth, and the Senate Conservatives Fund, like Napster, use technology to smash that bottleneck. Now lawmakers can’t control what their cons uents hear anymore.
    http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cr...rticle/2536337

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    Why do people act like this doesn't happen fairly regularly?


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ow-they-ended/

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    MILLIONS FLEE OBAMACARE

    Millions of Tea Party loyalists fled the United States in the early morning hours today, seeking what one of them called “the American dream of liberty from health care.”

    Harland Dorrinson, 47, a tire salesman from Lexington, Kentucky, packed up his family and whatever belongings he could fit into his Chevy Suburban just hours before the health-insurance exchanges opened, joining the Tea Party’s Freedom Caravan with one goal in mind: escape from Obamacare.

    “My father didn’t have health care and neither did my father’s father before him,” he said. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to let my children have it.”


    But after driving over ten hours to the Canadian border, Mr. Dorrinson was dismayed to learn that America’s northern neighbor had been in the iron grip of health care for decades.


    “The border guard was so calm when he told me, as if it was the most normal thing in the world,” he said. “It’s like he was brainwashed by health care.”


    Turning away from Canada, Mr. Dorrinson joined a procession of Tea Party cars heading south to Mexico, noting, “They may have drug cartels and narcoterrorism down there, but at least they’ve kept health care out.”


    Mr. Dorrinson was halfway to the southern border before he heard through the Tea Party grapevine that Mexico, too, has public health care, as do Great Britain, Japan, Turkey, Spain, Belgium, New Zealand, Slovenia, and dozens of other countries to which he had considered fleeing.


    Undaunted, Mr. Dorrinson said he had begun looking into additional countries, like Chad and North Korea, but he expressed astonishment at a world seemingly overrun by health care.


    “It turns out that the United States is one of the last countries on earth to get it,” he said. “It makes me proud to be an American.”

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...rowitz%20(176)


    Lol this is satire right?

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    Lol this is satire right?

    No, it's absolutely true.

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    The 10% that approve of Congress now, are they mostly Repug or Dems?
    It's the friends and families of Congressmen/women and their staffs.

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    As a strategy, it is stupid, IMHO

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    Why do people act like this doesn't happen fairly regularly?
    did someone suggest it doesn't?

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    the US Congress failing to fund what the US Congress has already approved is a rather fundamental sort of failure, wouldn't you say?

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    Yeah, think of all the piss-poor at ude n!gger employees you won't have to put up with at the DMV, Court, or any other government office for the foreseeable future. Picturing those worthless people suffering doesn't really make me teary-eyed. I'm actually kind of excited.
    What about all of the happy excellent go-getter at ude white employees that are affected by this?

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    did someone suggest it doesn't?

    I'd say there seems to be a bit of hysteria over something that has happened quite often in the past.

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    The ultimate irony. If the healthcare law is delayed a year then the Democrats would have enough ammo that they would probably take over the House.

    If the healthcare law is allowed to proceed it will have a large amount of very unhappy people that will probably move the Republicans into control of the Senate.

    They are both fighting for the right to lose the next election.

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    The ultimate irony. If the healthcare law is delayed a year then the Democrats would have enough ammo that they would probably take over the House.

    If the healthcare law is allowed to proceed it will have a large amount of very unhappy people that will probably move the Republicans into control of the Senate.

    They are both fighting for the right to lose the next election.

    I agree with this. If they think ObamaCare will turn out to be a train wreck, just leave it alone and use it against them in the next election.

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    ACA will not fail, it will be huge, humane step forward for America, catching up with more humane, less rich-dog-eat-poor-dog unRandian countries.

    There will be lots of modifications, tweaking to make ACA work even better, and it will take much longer than necessary because of bloody minded Repug obstructionism and propaganda, but it will happen.

    You right-wing assholes have been listening to the Repug/Fox/hate-media LIARS, and believing them. You'll be proven to be willfully ignorant dupes.

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    Colbert recaps series finale of U.S. government in ‘Breaking Gov’

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/0...-breaking-gov/

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    Jon Stewart rips Cons ution-hugging Republicans: They’re like ‘an as*hole causing a head-on collision’


    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/10/0...-on-collision/

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    I'd say there seems to be a bit of hysteria over something that has happened quite often in the past.
    No examples?

    Nothing at all from this thread? It doesn't appear your adversaries on this point have even entered the field...

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    Your boss shut down government 12 times, didn’t call him terrorist

    http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/09/...errorist-84359

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    an epochal financial panic twinned with an anemic recovery did NOT propel Obama to certain defeat in 2012, as widely predicted on this board.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 10-01-2013 at 11:37 AM.

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    The republicans need to stop playing to the vocal minority of the party. the ACA lives on, and they look like spoiled children to the average voter. they got the tea party vote though!

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