The private insurers profit margins depend on it.
Some companies, eg IBM, somewhat of a industrial leader and an extremely well managed company, are already dumping their retirees and employees into the exchanges.
After the exchanges prove themselves, I think there will be a huge number of companies following IBM's example.
So the "death spiral" of the exchanges having too many sickos and not enough young healthies will very probably not arrive.
Gotcha. I haven't been following all that closely as I don't pay anything out of pocket. It's been quite entertaining though hearing both sides , moan, and point fingers.
A Senator Bluntly Says What We're All Thinking About The Awful And Obnoxious Government Shutdown
Senator Warren decided to get to the brass tacks about what this government shutdown is actually going to do to the country. She doesn't mince words.
https://www.upworthy.com/a-senator-b...hutdown?c=upw9
Midweek Madness: 10 Remarkably Stupid, Right-Wing Statements About the Shutdown and Obamacare
1. Tex. Gov. Rick Perry: Implementing Affordable Healthcare is a Criminal Act
“If this heath care law is forced upon this country, the young men and women in this audience are the ones who are really going to pay the price. And that, I suggest to you, reaches the point of being a felony toward them and their future. That is a criminal act, from my perspective.”
The Lone-Star Gov. may need a wee bit of schooling in criminal law.
2. Betsy McCaughey, conservative “thinker”: Obama Wants Your Sexual History
The so-called Liberty Belle wrote in a column for the New York Post: “Are you sexually active? If so, with one partner, multiple partners or same-sex partners?’ Be ready to answer those questions and more next time you go to the doctor.”
Someone needs to tell her that that is what doctors do. Already. And that, yeah, sexual history is part of health care.
3. Sen. Mitch McConnell, Kentucky: “The president is more than willing to negotiate with the Iranians. I don’t know why he isn’t willing to negotiate with us.”
Are you sure that you want to compare Congressional Republicans to hardline mullahs? I think we’re beginning to understand which group is the more reasonable.
4. Laura Ingraham: “Sob stories” from injured vets unable to get care because of the government shutdown, will make the GOP cave.
Oh God, yeah. Either that or kids with cancer who can’t get treatment at the NIH. What a bunch of whiners.
5. CNN’s Wolf Blitzer: There’s a lot of blame to go around in Washington.
Well, Wolf, the blame doesn’t really go all the way around. It pretty much stops with the right-wing fringe of the Republican party.
6. Rep. David Schweikert (Arizona Republican): Government shutdown is “my idea of fun.”
What other hobbies do you enjoy? Robbing old ladies and pushing wheelchair-bound people down the stairs?
7. Rep. William O’Brien (Republican, New Hampshire) : Obamacare is Like the Fugitive Slave Act.
How so, exactly? And gee, do you think the racial connotations here are a coincidence?
8. Sen. Rand Paul: We haven’t had a big debate about Obamacare.
Dear Mr. Paul, Perhaps you can get your memory loss treated under …. hmmm … what? Obamacare?
9. Rep. Todd Rokita, (Republican, Tennessee): “We just want to help the American people get through one of the most insidious laws created by man, that is Obamacare.”
Wow, that puts it above slavery, Jim Crow laws, the Indian Removal Act, Japanese Internment, and that’s just in America. It’s also worse than the Nuremberg laws, laws allowing female genital mutilation, and laws allowing non-virgin brides to be returned.
10. Rep. Marsha Blackburn (Republican, Tennessee): “People are probably going to realize they can live with a lot less government than what they thought they needed.”
Yeah, who needs those silly food inspectors or plane inspectors or frivolous cancer treatments or meals for poor children? Fingers crossed about no natural catastrophes!
http://www.alternet.org/print/tea-pa...t-shutdown-and
Which of us years ago would have imagined that W. would prove to be the smart Texas governor?Rick Perry: Implementing Obamacare Is A ‘Felony’
“If this health care law is forced upon this country, the young men and women in this audience are the ones who are really going to pay the price,” Perry claimed. “And that, I will suggest to you, reaches to the point of being a felony toward them and their future. That is a criminal act, from my perspective, to put that type of burden on them, to mortgage their future like that.”
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...e-is-a-felony/
Holy , the right-wing, Repugs, tea baggers are saturated with dumb s.
The business tax credits and medicaid expansion are funded by a capital gains tax hike and a tax on the highest bracket.
The idea behind getting the people who don't need health insurance to pay is to offset the cost of all the other new people. I think it's overstated considering that old people already have medicare. They just want more captive customers.
I love Senator Warren. It's too bad she could never get elected president in our bull elections where only those who are willing to provide sufficient favors to raise $1 billion have any chance.
Guess we'll just wait and see how it pans out. Going to be a disaster for one party either way.
Obama meeting at WH with Congressional leaders changed nothing this evening.
Dems refuse to touch ACA and Repugs only want to take a chunk out of ACA, compounded now with the Macho (white) Man need to save face and not get -slapped by a n!gg@ in front of their maran voters.
Could go on for weeks.
Government funded media deemed essential
Government funded media programs have been deemed "essential" and will continue programming during the government shutdown, the Broadcasting Board of Governors announced Tuesday.
Programs like Voice of America, Office of Cuba Broadcasting (Radio and TV Martí), Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, and the Middle East Broadcasting Networks (Alhurra TV and Radio Sawa) are considered “foreign relations essential to national security."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/...al-174096.html
smart? dubya? never, he was always nothing a but front man, a placeholder, a useful idiot for the Powers Behind The Throne, the money men, the oil men
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sieg heil mein fuhrer!!!!
surprised boutons didn't link to this one yet... it actually has it moments, tbh...
Meet the Morons Who Caused the Shutdown
There has never been a single House of the Congress with a more lethal combination of political ambition, political stupidity, and political vainglory than this one.
Representative Vicky Hartzler of Missouri
Representative Jim Bridenstine of Oklahoma
A Bedlamite Medley to Mix It Up
Representative Steve Fincher of Tennessee
Representative Michael Burgess of Texas
Representative Tom Marino of Pennsylvania
Representative Reid Ribble of Wisconsin
Representative Blake Farenthold of Texas
Representative Ted Yoho of Florida
Sorry, b_d, I was trying to be facetious.
How Less Than 5% Of The US Population Caused The Government To Shut Down
Everyone thinks the situation in Washington is the result of two parties unable to come together. But who's really behind it?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/less-5...ampaign=BufferIn the 2012 elections, a little more than 59.6 million Americans voted for representatives from the Democratic party while 58.2 million voters supported the Republican candidate.
But due to the way that congressional districts are organized, Democrats got 33 fewer seats than the GOP in the House of Representatives.
So right off the bat, the House GOP represents a minority of Congressional voters.
But it gets worse.
Let's look at the element of the House GOP that supports tying the continuing resolution to fund the government to an un-passable defunding of the Affordable Care Act.
Judging by the number of people who signed freshman Rep. Mark Meadow's (R-N.C.) letter, 81 members of the 233 GOP caucus support this hardcore strategy. They're called the "suicide caucus" by The New Yorker's Ryan Lizza.
Now, let's keep in mind that even this is a high estimate. The National Review's Robert Costa — who may be the most plugged-in reporter on House Republicans — told the Washington Post's Ezra Klein that he estimated only 30-40 members really want to tie Obamacare funding to the C.R.
The suicide caucus.....classic
Word!
Summary for anyone who is interested and who wants to more fully understand what is happening with our federal government right now:
http://www.facebook.com/farwent/posts/101519147507386061. This shutdown is not happening because both parties won't compromise. This shutdown is happening because Republicans in the House of Representatives have refused to pass a budget bill without a bunch of amendments tacked on to it, chiefly amendments nullifying Obamacare.
2. Obamacare is not directly tied to this budget bill in any way. It is a separate piece of legislation, already passed and signed into law back in 2010. The House Republicans are just saying, "We don't like this law, Obamacare, that was already passed, and because we do not have the votes to repeal it in the manner laid out in the Cons ution" -- they don't; they've already tried to repeal it 42 times, yes, that is true, 42 times -- "we're going to instead DEMAND that the law be repealed or delayed, or else we won't pass this budget legislation necessary to keep the country running."
3. Again, Obamacare was signed into law, in the fashion laid out in the Cons ution of the United States, in 2010. It was not, like, laid down by martial law, unless you think a bunch of congresspeople and senators voting for a bill counts as martial law.
4. Also, the president behind Obamacare was reelected in 2012. Also also, in 2012 the Democrats retained control of the Senate, and House Republicans actually lost the popular vote, but stayed in control of their chamber because of shrewd gerrymandering. All of which is to say: If Americans hate Obamacare so much, how come they reelected Obama and voted so strongly for Democrats.
5. Remember that in 2012, the Supreme Court, led by a conservative chief justice and majority, upheld Obamacare's cons utionality, except for one part. (And that part is kaput. The president is not trying to enforce it with UN troops and black helicopters. It's why we don't have a state-run health exchange here in Wisconsin.) So, to sum up: Obamacare was not only enacted according to the rule of law in this country, it also survived scrutiny by the highest judiciary body in the land, which is in the hands of the opposition party.
6. The point being: None of this is to say whether Obamacare will be good or bad for the country! It is only to say that it was passed according to the rules, and it's been legitimized by our top court and implicitly by citizens who voted to reelect the president whose name it bears. Socialist tyranny, it's just not.
7. What the House GOP is pulling right now -- "Get rid of Obamacare or we'll shut down important services and risk a global financial catastrophe by not raising the debt ceiling" -- this is not politics as usual. This is extortion. They are a minority; even plenty of other Republican legislators think that what these guys are doing is absurd and dangerous (and this will likely become more clear the longer the shutdown goes on). If these guys want to get rid of Obamacare, they should go out and campaign and get more senators and a president elected. That is how democracy works. AMERICA, Y'ALL.
8. A note on the debt ceiling: Voting to raise the debt ceiling is not voting to spend money that the U.S. doesn't have. Congress *already voted* to spend that money. The debt ceiling is a bizarre, redundant device, and we are basically the only country that has one. (Denmark has one, but it's just a formality and has never been a point of controversy or contention.) Essentially, it's like if your dad went out and bought a lot of stuff with his credit card, but then he had to ask your mom if it was OK for him to pay the credit card off. The money is already spent. If your mom says no, then your dad is failing to honor his obligations, and his credit rating (and your mom's!) is going to be trashed. The difference on the larger scale is that if the U.S.'s credit rating is trashed, the whole planet's economy could take a massive hit, because we are, you know, a global super-power.
9. Again, this is not about a lack of compromise on both sides. The House GOP is demanding that the president and congressional Democrats just undo their chief legislative victory. And it was a legitimate victory! And frankly, Obamacare is something that a lot of Americans *want*. Those Americans are real citizens, too. So this is like if your dad and your mom and you and your sister all vote to go to Olive Garden one Thursday evening, but your little brother wants to go to Applebee's, and so instead of just accepting that he won't always get his way and planning a stronger case for Applebee's for next Thursday, he flips out and runs outside and slashes all the tires on the car so you guys can't go anywhere. Except, again, much crazier, because instead of just one family it affects millions of people and could also set off an economic calamity of anic proportions.
10. Let me be clear: I do not hate Republicans. My dad is a Republican! I am a small businessperson! I go to church! I LOVE CHRISTMAS. This is not about name-calling or hating on anyone, and frankly, I do not expect to change anyone's mind about any of the proceeding details. But I am tired of the notion that both parties are equally to blame for our troubles; it has surely been true in the past, but it's not right now. (And it is entirely possible for ALL POLITICIANS TO BE AWFUL and for ONE OF THE TWO PARTIES TO STILL BE CONSIDERABLY WORSE.) Believe me, I would love nothing more than to see a revitalized Republican party, with views that I might disagree with but which were not straight-up lunacy. IT WOULD MAKE MY DUMB INTERNET FIGHTS A LOT MORE INTERESTING.
I can't believe I'm posting this. I am a fool. I don't know if I will even respond to comments. I have a headache already. Maybe it would not be so bad if we all downloaded our consciousnesses into computers after all.
Your article mentions the Cons ution numerous times, does he realize what Republicans are doing is perfectly Cons utional? Not saying I agree with them but they are working within the rules laid out.
There is no cons utional requirement to produce a budget...But it really doesn't matter, because the work of the government continues to be appropriated through various appropriation bills.
Suppose we were under attack and the President refused to order the military to engage in a war declared by Congress. It's basically the same thing as the House Republicans shutting down the government and refusing to pay lawful debt.....rather than debating such an insane idea with a radical Congress, the President should sign an Executive Order to keep government running, as is, until the budget issues can be resolved. It should be kept "as is" because only the legislative branch can pass laws to increase or decrease spending. But they do not have the authority to shut down our entire government.
See what happens when you try and comment on something that falls outside of your single issue, pistol Pete? You look like a ing moron. There is a reason the was no government shutdown before 1976. Stick to whining about gun control.
the ACA was voted into law. the Repugs didn't have enough votes to stop it. elections have consequences
approved as Cons utional by extremist right wing SCOTUS
the 2012 Pres election was a referendum on ACA, and Americans approved it by a huge margin, kicking anti-ACA Bishop Gecko's ass in a huge defeat. elections have consequences
you gun fellators don't have a clue about the Cons ution and how democracy should work. minorities lose elections (but their rights are protected), majorities make the laws, so GFY
BOEHNER: OBAMA STUBBORNLY REFUSING TO END CRISIS I CREATED
Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-Ohio) said that he was disappointed after meeting with President Obama at the White House on Wednesday afternoon, telling reporters, “The President is stubbornly refusing to end the crisis I created.”
“Government is about teamwork,” Mr. Boehner continued. “I’ve done my part by putting together an entirely optional crisis that has shut down the government and will throw thousands out of work. Now it’s up to the President to do his part by ending it.”
Mr. Boehner said that he was “flabbergasted” that the President was looking to him to bring the current government shutdown to an end: “So after doing all of the hard work to push the country to the brink, I’m supposed to pull it back, too? How about you pitching in a little, Mr. President?”
The House Speaker said that he hoped he did not have to manufacture an another entirely avoidable crisis over the debt ceiling in order to stir the President to action. “Quite frankly, orchestrating these unnecessary stalemates takes a lot of energy and I could really use a rest,” he said.
But Mr. Boehner seemed pessimistic that the President “got the message.”
“Because of my actions, thousands of federal workers have already been furloughed,” he said. “How many more people do I have to throw out on the street before the President wakes up?”
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...rowitz%20(177)
Is the Republican's tactic uncons utional? Yes or No?See what happens when you try and comment on something that falls outside of your single issue, pistol Pete? You look like a ing moron. There is a reason the was no government shutdown before 1976. Stick to whining about gun control.
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