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    Curious, what about out of body experiences when someone has died, but brought back to life?
    These descriptions they tell us about are all too similar to be coincidence, don't you think?
    Or when people find Jesus on a tortilla.

    Too many Jesus tortillas to be a coincidence, imo.

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    Or when people find Jesus on a tortilla.

    Too many Jesus tortillas to be a coincidence, imo.
    Your sarcasm is noted. Jesus on tortillas is a trademark, didn't you know?

    But I was asking a serious question, Jesus flavored tortillas aside, as well as wall paintings, or screen doors, etc.
    What about those experiences?
    Or what about the purported miracles like bleeding statues, healings, and the like?
    How are these explained?

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    Curious, what about out of body experiences when someone has died, but brought back to life?
    These descriptions they tell us about are all too similar to be coincidence, don't you think?
    What about all the people that medically die and see nothing?

    btw, the out of body is explained by DMT. look it up. your brain release DMT when youre about to die and it makes you trip balls basically and helps ease the minds anxiety upon dying

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    Plus, you can't just look at things you cannot understand and explain at the moment and say "welp, god musta did it, no other explanation"

    you really think an omnipotent being would make statues bleed but allow children to starve to death all over the world on a daily basis?

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    Plus, you can't just look at things you cannot understand and explain at the moment and say "welp, god musta did it, no other explanation"

    you really think an omnipotent being would make statues bleed but allow children to starve to death all over the world on a daily basis?
    These are questions I struggle with as well as anyone does, especially if you believe in an Omnipotent Being.
    I have no answer, and may never have one.
    But that is also why I say, for me anyway, that if you follow your conscience then you can't go far wrong, no matter your beliefs.

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    At least you can admit that, you are a much less annoying and self-righteous than most of the other believers

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    Serious question. Why do you need a God?
    Why do you need Naruto?

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    At least you can admit that, you are a much less annoying and self-righteous than most of the other believers
    Thank you, but I admit I wasn't always this way. I've had a lot of rude awakenings along the way. Nowadays I try not to be so dogmatic and self righteous, because that is just ego getting in the way of things.
    I think you need to able to laugh at yourself, because when you stop doing that, then you start taking yourself way too seriously, and this leads to mistakes.
    I believe that is what Pop refers to, that so many of the haters are refusing to understand, that they are confusing with a loser at ude.

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    You might be right in all that...but I'm a believer...no can say for sure what each parable or example means...was it literal or figurative is always up for debate...all I'm saying is there is no way a fine woman like Natalie with succulent breasts, a nice round and firm buttocks, and sweet nectarine vagina is the product of some mutant Star Wars like piece of bacteria.....no way...and then I come along with my nice chest, abs, and penis to compliment her...stick it in her and produce more life...no way man that's not chance....that's design....and I will tell you thi...God has a funny personality...sure life is bitter sweet...but at least he did give us physical pleasure...so I will take that...I'm a believer I believe in God because Science proves he transversed spiritual realm (a different dimension) and caused the big bang into the material universe...

    why he's doing what he's doing I don't know...but I accept it because if he can create all that he has...I have to believe he has an ultimate or greater plan..I beleive life on earth is nothing but a pilot in the material universe..once he's done assessing he will fine tune again and for those that believed give them a place at his throne...or whatever it is they desire...I believe in the "fairy tale"....I'm all in..there is nothing else for non-believers...I imagine life can't be to joyful to not have a higher belief system

    i was about to say the same thing. when you drop the pseudo schtick, you got some interesting stuff to say. some of it is over my head i'll admit, but I generally agree with some of it. i look at a natalie portman and her booty/moist regions, and enjoy the artistry of the creator.

    what's strange is some people always say it's a fairy tale but I've never seen the idea of God as comforting, i suppose in some situations it is but in other moments I find the idea terrifying and uncomfortable, but then concepts like gravity, laws, solar or nuclear power, are uncomfortable too. There's too much beyond our evolved monkey brains, I guess I just try to go along for the ride.

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    I look at life like it is some grand amusement ride that we chose to come and do when we were just spirits before we were born. And that we had lessons to learn and adventures we wanted to try, and so chose to be born into life.
    After we die, we may have other amusement rides that we, as spirits, might want to try.
    Life is just one ride. There may be millions of rides just like life that we have no idea what they are.
    Maybe death is another such ride, or maybe it is a continuation of the same ride called life.
    Who knows?

    The concept of God, yea or nay, is one that cannot be proved or disproved, as it is supported solely by ones faith alone. And the proof of this statement is supported by the fact that whenever anyone is asked who God is or if He exists, you will have a billion different answers (opinions again?) from however many people are on this planet.
    I Am That I Am
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    i look at a natalie portman and her booty/moist regions, and enjoy the artistry of the creator.
    Do you also enjoy seeing someone born with no arms?

    What a good creator.

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    Do you also enjoy seeing someone born with no arms?

    What a good creator.
    all God did was develop the genetic code...it's since been passed down through copulation of various genetic lines...he created and then he left..he will be back to check on things...until then we have to take care of things ourselves...when he's ready he will rectify all the wrongs..but that is mostly likely in the next life..

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    Kool with the goods.

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    Kool with the goods.
    But for what forum?

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    all God did was develop the genetic code...it's since been passed down through copulation of various genetic lines...he created and then he left..he will be back to check on things...until then we have to take care of things ourselves...when he's ready he will rectify all the wrongs..but that is mostly likely in the next life..
    Kool story. Not from the Bible though.

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    Kool story. Not from the Bible though.
    ^ has a point.

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    Why didn't God/Jesus tell everyone the earth was round?

    He didn't want want to be a Square.

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    I like how the thread has "Answers" for Agonistics. In general, the point of being Agnostic is apathy to the entire brainwash system known as religion.

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    He didn't want want to be a Square.
    mouse with the goods

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    Isaiah 40:22 "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth". And Kool God did make Himself personal through Christ. God only created Adam and Eve and when Adam sinned he opened the door for corruption...so over time we have abused our planet which has led to mutations. So did God create children with no arms...no He created the free will we use to jack up our planet and pollute it thus corrupting the genetic code. What's more glorious though is when these limbless children grow up to be believers and they profess the word of God despite their abnormalities and yes when we die all that is corrected in Heaven when we receive our glorified bodies. It's actually not that hard to believe and we have an example here on earth. Look at the caterpillar. An ugly little creature, like us with our sin...then it goes into a cocoon and actually dies! It becomes this primordial goo that changes dna and becomes a butterly! They die and resurrect into glorified bodies! If an insect can do this how much more a human? Does God create starving children...again no that's the result of nations trying to do things their way, the result of corrupt militaristic regimes, etc. Again free will...it's also the result of God's people not believing and living their own selfish lives "to the fullest". Living to have fun and not actually go out and be a missionary to the poor. That's what I call living life to the fullest...living for someone other than yourself. Someone asked why God created us...for His glory simple.

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    Additionally hasn't it been proven the human body possesses energy...is it possible this energy is the soul? There's positive and negative energy...is it possible sin is the negative energy and God is a pure source of positive energy? Is it possible that God, the uncaused cause, wanted us to be able to be reunited with Him so He created a way to remove all the negative energy so that we could be in His holy presence. But the negative energy of disbelief erases the possibility of having the negative energy of past sins removed so those souls could not be in His presence...the absolute purity of His energy would burn up/consume any negative energy in His presence...just to put a scientific spin on Christianity

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    I would like yall to tell me who you think these sentences are talking about?

    • “They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head” (Isaiah
    69:4).
    • Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?” (Psalm 2:1).
    “The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together
    against the Lord and against his anointed” (v. 2).
    • “Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread,
    hath lifted up his heel against me” (Psalm 41:9).
    • “I shall smite the shepherd and the sheep shall be scattered” (Mark 14:27).
    • “If ye think good, give me my price . . . so they weighed for my price thirty pieces
    of silver . . . and cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prized at of
    them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord” (Zechariah 11:12–13).

    “They shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod, upon the cheek” (Micah 5:1).

    “I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting” (Isaiah 50:6).

    “They pierced my hands and my feet” (Psalm 22:16).

    “My God, my God why hast Thou forsaken me?” (Psalm 22:1).

    “All they that see me laugh me to scorn, they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him; let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him” (Psalm 22:7–8)

    “They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink” (Psalm 21:22).

    “I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint” (Psalm 22:14).

    “Surely he hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows” (Isaiah 53:4).

    “As a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth” (Isaiah 53:7).

    “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture” (Psalm 22:18).

    “He was numbered with the transgressors . . . and made intercession for the transgressors” (Isaiah 53:12).

    “He hath poured out his soul unto death” (v. 12).

    “Neither shall ye break a bone thereof” (Exodus 12:46).

    “He keepeth all his bones; not one of them is broken” (Psalm 34:20).

    “They shall look upon me whom they have pierced” (Zechariah 12:10).

    “He made his grave . . . with the rich in his death” (Isaiah 53:9).

    “They pierced my hands and feet” (Psalm 22:16).

    “For thou wilt not leave my soul in ; neither will thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption” (Psalm 16:10).

    Thou hast ascended on high, thou has led captivity captive; thou hast received gifts for men” (Psalm 68:18).

    “The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou upon my right hand until I make mine enemies thy footstool” (Psalm 110:1).

    There shall be a root of Jesse . . . to it shall the Gentiles seek; and his rest shall be glorious” (Isaiah 11:10).

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    Additionally hasn't it been proven the human body possesses energy...is it possible this energy is the soul? There's positive and negative energy...is it possible sin is the negative energy and God is a pure source of positive energy? Is it possible that God, the uncaused cause, wanted us to be able to be reunited with Him so He created a way to remove all the negative energy so that we could be in His holy presence. But the negative energy of disbelief erases the possibility of having the negative energy of past sins removed so those souls could not be in His presence...the absolute purity of His energy would burn up/consume any negative energy in His presence...just to put a scientific spin on Christianity
    It has been proven (or shown?) that everything is possessed of energy, even empty space, which really isn't empty at all.
    And that negative energy is a name we gave it for lack of a better definition. It really isn't negative, or adverse, it is just a way of differentiating it from positive energy, it's opposite. Had we discovered negative energy first, it would have probably been called positive energy. So how do we know which one is really the positive and which one is the negative energies?
    Thus there really should be a better definition of both forms of energy.
    IMHO All energy is of God.
    It is our feeble and tiny intellects that have a need to label everything in order to understand it better.
    I think the Real Truth is still beyond our capabilities to really and truly realize.
    It is only our fragile, sensitive, and emotional egos that think we know it all.
    Incidently, being fragile, being sensitive, and being emotional, none of these are necessarily wrong of themselves either. On the contrary, they all are part of God, if you believe in a Supreme Being, but only just part. God encompasses so very much more, in fact all of reality and even of unreality.
    To say the least, He is way beyond our comprehension.
    And IMHO, it is not wrong to not believe in God. If God exists, then He is more than capable of proving Himself to an unbeliever, and I bet He often does.
    Thus, who am I to judge atheists or agnostics, or Wiccan, or anyone else?
    I will not be so dogmatic and self righteous to set myself up to judge those people as being right or wrong just to satisfy my ego, or because I think a certain book commands me to do that.
    Why?
    Because if I truly believe in God, then I must also believe that we all are part of God and that God is in all of us.
    Which IMHO makes all of us brothers, even if they are aware or unaware of who we all are.
    I Am That I Am

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    I would like yall to tell me who you think these sentences are talking about?

    • “They that hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of mine head” (Isaiah
    69:4).
    • Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?” (Psalm 2:1).
    “The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together
    against the Lord and against his anointed” (v. 2).
    • “Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread,
    hath lifted up his heel against me” (Psalm 41:9).
    • “I shall smite the shepherd and the sheep shall be scattered” (Mark 14:27).
    • “If ye think good, give me my price . . . so they weighed for my price thirty pieces
    of silver . . . and cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prized at of
    them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord” (Zechariah 11:12–13).

    “They shall smite the judge of Israel with a rod, upon the cheek” (Micah 5:1).

    “I gave my back to the smiters, and my cheeks to them that plucked off the hair: I hid not my face from shame and spitting” (Isaiah 50:6).

    “They pierced my hands and my feet” (Psalm 22:16).

    “My God, my God why hast Thou forsaken me?” (Psalm 22:1).

    “All they that see me laugh me to scorn, they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him; let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him” (Psalm 22:7–8)

    “They gave me also gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink” (Psalm 21:22).

    “I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint” (Psalm 22:14).

    “Surely he hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows” (Isaiah 53:4).

    “As a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth” (Isaiah 53:7).

    “They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture” (Psalm 22:18).

    “He was numbered with the transgressors . . . and made intercession for the transgressors” (Isaiah 53:12).

    “He hath poured out his soul unto death” (v. 12).

    “Neither shall ye break a bone thereof” (Exodus 12:46).

    “He keepeth all his bones; not one of them is broken” (Psalm 34:20).

    “They shall look upon me whom they have pierced” (Zechariah 12:10).

    “He made his grave . . . with the rich in his death” (Isaiah 53:9).

    “They pierced my hands and feet” (Psalm 22:16).

    “For thou wilt not leave my soul in ; neither will thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption” (Psalm 16:10).

    Thou hast ascended on high, thou has led captivity captive; thou hast received gifts for men” (Psalm 68:18).

    “The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou upon my right hand until I make mine enemies thy footstool” (Psalm 110:1).

    There shall be a root of Jesse . . . to it shall the Gentiles seek; and his rest shall be glorious” (Isaiah 11:10).
    wut

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    Additionally hasn't it been proven the human body possesses energy...is it possible this energy is the soul? There's positive and negative energy...is it possible sin is the negative energy and God is a pure source of positive energy? Is it possible that God, the uncaused cause, wanted us to be able to be reunited with Him so He created a way to remove all the negative energy so that we could be in His holy presence. But the negative energy of disbelief erases the possibility of having the negative energy of past sins removed so those souls could not be in His presence...the absolute purity of His energy would burn up/consume any negative energy in His presence...just to put a scientific spin on Christianity
    That's not a scientific spin.

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