Reply With Quote
Whatever you want to share.
What do you want to know about the after life?
Whatever you want to share.
I can imagine you'd be attracted to a simplistic view of logic, even if it's wrong. Some people want things neatly packaged, and they don't read the contents.
Just didn't have time. I see nothing in logic or science that disproves the gospel. Will check it out though.
Isn't that really up to the readers to decide?
just saying.
I see nothing that disproves zeus either.
Assertions don't need to be disproven. If you've ever used scientific method, you know that assertions require proof. The "gospel" is a book of assertions, and there's no compelling evidence to suggest it's true. Sure there's some stories that make moral points, but then many religions have the same types of stories. That's not what the main assertion is though. The main assertion of the Bible is as follows:
An omniscient God exists who wants and deserves our praise and worship. The methods and stories for getting from the creation to the apocalypse could be any story from any religious text, however the premise is the same.
There's absolutely zero compelling evidence for the existence of the god, and man has had thousands of years to find it, create it, rationalize it into existence, build an impenetrable wall around it and govern based on it. All this yet here we are, arguing over this god's existence thousands of years after the biblical god Yaweh was said to have created man.
When something is discovered, it doesn't exist less and less over time, even if it becomes extinct. The Dodo bird doesn't exist now, but we know it did. Planets we once didn't know existed we now know exist. There are viruses, microscopic organisms, the Higgs boson, quarks, hundreds and hundreds of things we discover to exist we were once unaware of. Not once has something gone from existence to non existence over the span of time, except fairy tales and gods. God is fading into non existence, and once that occurs, god will have never existed. The gaps will close and people who need emotional crutches in the shape of the supernatural sky daddy will be a thing of the past.
But we will never say they never existed.
You don't see very much of anything so that's no surprise.
Well, the way I look at it is that we are just as stupid to believe we know everything through science now as people were when they believed (fill in the blank with your favorite disproved theory here). The spiritual aspects of the scriptures and their prophecies that have come true--and keep coming true over and over and over--are just a little too coincidental to be an accident. You are confident in your assertion that we will never discover God, but what a shock it would be if we did. As for me, it isn't a crutch. I don't give it much thought until I am dragged into some theological debate. I just try to enjoy my life without screwing anyone over and hope others will return the favor.
says who?
Exactly. There was zero compelling evidence men could fly yet here we are, Mach Six in the X-15, or Tokyo to Dallas non-stop at Mach .85 all day long. It just took someone to find it.
Rule #1 do the research
Hey if you enjoyed it then I am glad that someone did. It was just going to this round and round where his retorts were all claims of kicking my ass and that I am stupid.
I find the history of western civilization to be interesting. The first the centuries of the church and the time period between atilla and charlemagne are very interesting to me. They also pertain to this discussion. The philisophical differences of the apostles and jesus himself is interesting. While this discussion has potential it was obvious that it ws never going to get there so I stopped bothering.
Hope you are doing well mang and at some gtg we need to spark a bowl or something. Keep taking care of yourself.
Once again it's the Readers opinion.
I find the history of western civilization to be interesting. The first the centuries of the church and the time period between atilla and charlemagne are very interesting to me. They also pertain to this discussion. The philisophical differences of the apostles and jesus himself is interesting. While this discussion has potential it was obvious that it ws never going to get there so I stopped bothering.
Hope you are doing well mang and at some gtg we need to spark a bowl or something. Keep taking care of yourself.
Alternative Design.
Last edited by mouse; 10-09-2013 at 10:20 PM.
If the guy wants to debate western civ then he can take it to a different thread and we'll discuss it. This is about the scriptures, not his bullsh*t conspiracy theory regarding Paul and Constantine manipulating all of us from the grave. Oh, and it is the "Byzantine" Majority Text *NOT* the "Constantine" Majority Text. Just saying.
Your opening line is a false dichotomy. I don't know any scientists who think they know everything. Image if we used the Bible for all of our answers. You get sick, open the Bible and pray like it says. If that doesn't work, then God must be calling you home. Bet you don't go that route.
The Bible didn't invent the computer.
Science is the study of things, not the knowledge of things. It's a method. Religion is the ability and desire to make believe you already know the answers, and to be able to deny that nagging voice in your skull that says "this is bull " for the sake of your social group comfort and to help you sleep better.
Some feel better about knowing than about learning. For them, pretending to know is the placebo they need to cope with a world where science and technology has rendered all the miracles of the Bible void of reason, and explained away the gods of the past.
False dichotomy, yet claiming there is no evidence of a god is a far cry from saying we know for certain that there isn't one. Yet, so many make a confident assertion there is NOT one and deride those who say there is, when both are operating on faith. The bible didn't invent the computer, but the one who invented both was invented by a god. I get no social comfort in what I say: I catch from both the Christians and the scientists, so there goes that theory. I don't worry about it. If I am wrong I won't be sentient to know it when it happens. I spent a lifetime learning. I have simply shifted the avenue of/on my knowledge quest from the scientific and physical to the spiritual. (Frankly I am into airplanes, firearms, and growing my trees. Sunsets and stars. A smart dog. That's enough.) Works for me but your mileage may vary.
As I explained, the god claim is the assertion that requires proof. Neither science nor my mind require disproof of an assertion to not consider it to be true. Otherwise I could consider all god claims to be true unless proven otherwise. Surely you see that.
I feel confident in stating there is no god, at least not one as depicted in the Bible. That god is a logical contradiction, so it cannot exist just as a square circle cannot exist. I don't need to prove a square circle cannot exist anywhere in the universe in order to dismiss it's existence, because it's a contradiction and those are false claims by nature. I don't need proof of the non-existence of whatever god someone claims to exist.
Wut prophecies came true?
I see that. However, neither God nor my mind require science to prove He is real (that the scripture is true). I have enough evidence in the spiritual truths that I have been shown and that's enough for me. I will agree with you that there is not god as depicted in the Bible. But the God of the scriptures is a different being than the one of the supers ious, man-made, traditional, pagan-themed church. That being said, there are many things that exist that nobody has proof of--as yet. They are still there. I simply consider God to be one of them (and again, my proof doesn't rely on man).
The lamp in the darkness... That's one. You being an ignorant, mocking, carnal, beastly bag is another.
I see no reason then to give consideration as existing for things that have no compelling evidence for existence. You assign truth value to emotional movements and anecdotal evidences however none of that compels me to believe in anything other than emotional movement and anecdotal evidences. I refuse to grant a pass to a suggested supernatural deity who cannot make itself apparent to the world it claims to have created and ruled.
And you are free to believe that. I lose nothing by believing in Him other than being unable to rape and pillage as I see fit. But oh well.
Yeah, I didn't really think any prophecies came true.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions