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    Jackson, 53, is one of 3,281 prisoners in America serving life sentences with no chance of parole for non-violent crimes.

    Some, like him, were given the most extreme punishment short of execution for shoplifting; one was condemned to die in prison for siphoning petrol from a truck; another for stealing tools from a tool shed; yet another for attempting to cash a stolen cheque.

    http://www.alternet.org/man-was-sent...more-you-think

    3281 prisoners x $30K/prisoner-year x 40 years = $3,937,200,000

    iow, CRIME PAYS ... the PIC
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    A shocking number of non-violent Americans will die in prison


    LANCE SALTZMAN did not like the way his stepfather, Toni Minnick, settled arguments with his mother, Christina Borg. Once Mr Minnick fired a gun into a wall beside her. A couple of weeks later, says Ms Borg, he threatened to shoot her. So Mr Saltzman went into his stepfather’s bedroom and took the gun. He sold it to a friend, who used it in a burglary. Mr Saltzman was charged with burglary, theft and being a felon in possession of a firearm—all for taking a gun from his own house—as well as with the burglary committed using the gun, in which he says he took no part. He was sentenced to life in prison with no possibility of parole. He was 22.


    Mr Saltzman was mauled by a pit bull as a toddler and is “not altogether upstairs all the time”, says his mother. In his teens he got hooked on drugs and was convicted of marijuana possession, trespassing and petty theft. He was then jailed for a burglary he committed when he was 16, and this was his undoing. He stole his stepfather’s gun within three years of his release; under a Florida mandatory-sentencing law for re-offenders, the judge had to lock him up for ever. Given Florida’s Stand Your Ground laws, Ms Borg believes that her son would probably be free if he had shot his menacing stepfather instead.


    Mr Saltzman is one of at least 3,278 people serving sentences of life without parole for non-violent crimes, according to a new report from the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). Around 79% of them were convicted of drug crimes. These include: having an unweighably small amount of cocaine in a shirt pocket, selling $10-worth of crack to a police informant and mailing small amounts of LSD to fellow Grateful Dead fans. Property crimes that earned offenders a permanent home in prison include shoplifting three belts, breaking into an empty liquor store and possessing stolen wrenches.

    When judges can’t judge
    A hefty 83% of such sentences were mandatory. That is, a state or federal law barred the judge from exercising any discretion (or indeed, common sense). Some were triggered by “three-strikes” laws, which demand a severe penalty for a third crime, no matter how minor, if the defendant was previously convicted of two others. Sometimes, those “priors” can be from the distant past. Sylvester Mead, for instance, earned life without parole for slurring drunken threats at a policeman while handcuffed in a patrol car; he had convictions for battery and burglary six and 16 years previously. Mr Mead’s last crime, public intimidation, usually carries a sentence of no more than five years. The judge said it “does not warrant, under any conscionable or cons utional basis, a life sentence”, but explained: “I have no choice.”


    Clarence Aaron had no rap sheet: he is among the one-fifth of non-violent life-without-parolers in the federal system serving time for a first offence. While a student at Southern University in Louisiana, he acted as a middleman in a drug deal. He neither bought nor sold the drugs in question, but when arrested he refused to testify against his co-conspirators. They did not return the favour. Consequently, all but one of them have been released from prison (the last is due out next year), while he is almost 20 years into a life sentence.


    Like most prisoners serving life for non-violent crimes, Mr Aaron is black. Racial disparities among non-violent “whole-lifers” exceed even those of the prison system itself. Among federal prisoners, blacks are 20 times more likely to receive such sentences: they are 65% of the national total, compared with 18% for whites and 16% for Latinos. In some states the numbers are yet more skewed: blacks are 91% of non-violent life-without-parole prisoners in Louisiana, 79% in Mississippi and 68% in South Carolina.


    Perpetually warehousing petty criminals is expensive. The ACLU estimates that life-without-parole sentences for non-violent offenders add $1.8 billion to the cost of incarcerating those to whom they apply. Jennifer Turner, who wrote the ACLU’s study, says that the number of life-without-parole sentences (including those for violent crimes) is growing faster than life-with-a-chance-of-parole. In the past 20 years, it has quadrupled, even as violent crime has declined.


    Long sentences have not made drugs harder to buy or Americans less likely to get high. Evidence that they reduce crime is skimpy; the vast sums spent on them would surely reduce crime more if spent instead on detective work, drug treatment and rehabilitation.


    The cost to prisoners and their families, meanwhile, is impossible to calculate. “I’ve lost my son. I’ll never have grandchildren with him. He’ll never see the outside world,” says Ms Borg. She adds: “I can’t sleep. I can’t function. I’m 87 pounds. I look like a walking skeleton.”


    Several states have started to retreat from ultra-tough sentencing. So has the federal government. Texas and Arkansas are opting to treat some non-violent drug offenders instead of jailing them. Eric Holder, America’s attorney-general, announced in August that federal prosecutors would no longer charge low-level, non-violent drug offenders with crimes that trigger such sentences.


    Ms Turner is encouraged, but notes that “the devil is in the details.” Relying on the leniency of prosecutors is no subs ute for getting rid of mandatory minimums. And recent reforms do nothing for Mr Saltzman or any of the other Americans who have spilled no blood but are condemned to wither and die behind bars.


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    The new debtors’ prisons
    If you are poor, don’t get caught speeding


    IN LATE 2010 police in Childersburg, Alabama ticketed both Kristy and Timothy Fugatt for driving with expired licence tags. They were fined $148 each, plus another $198 for Mrs Fugatt, whose licence had expired. They could not afford to pay, so they were placed on probation under the supervision of Judicial Correction Services (JCS), a private company that manages probationers for roughly 200 misdemeanour courts in the south-eastern United States.


    JCS also charged each of them a $45 monthly service fee. When they fell behind on their payments, they were charged more fees and threatened with jail. In February 2012 they claim that a Childersburg policeman arrested them at their home, threatened them with a Taser, told them their children would be placed in state care and took them to prison. They were released only after relatives brought $900 to the Childersburg jail. (Robert McMichael, the head of JCS, refused to comment on any of these allegations.)


    Monthly charges to private-probation companies are just one of a growing array of fees levied by America’s criminal-justice system. Such fees are distinct from fines, imposed to punish or deter. Their aim is to make wrongdoers cover some of the costs of the system that punishes them.


    Another law for the poor
    For example, a 2010 report by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) found that fees and fines covered two-thirds of the operating budget of the Orleans Parish criminal court in Louisiana. That is the appeal of private-probation firms: small fines often go unpaid because local governments cannot afford to chase every speeding ticket. JCS claims that without officers overseeing probation, only 30% of offenders complete it; with JCS’s services that rises to 70%. Even more appealing to cash-strapped municipalities, private-probation companies offer their services at no cost to the taxpayer. Instead, boasts JCS, “Supervision is completely offender-funded.”


    Defendants who cannot pay fees upfront are put on payment plans, which often come with start-up and monthly administrative fees. Many of these fees are small, but for poor Americans they impose an additional burden that can last long after a judicially-imposed sentence has ended. A 2010 study by the Brennan Centre for Justice, a law and public-policy ins ute, found that at least 13 of the 15 states with the largest prison populations allowed probation to be extended beyond the judicially-imposed terms for non-payment of criminal-justice debt. A judgment handed down in July 2012 against the town of Harpersville, Alabama, which hired JCS to manage its misdemeanour probation, found that fees could turn a $200 fine into a 41-month-long, $2,100 ordeal.


    That same judgment accused Harpersville of operating a “debtors’ prison”, though the judge noted that “a more accurate description of the Harpersville Municipal Court practices might be that of a judicially sanctioned extortion racket.” Harpersville, like many other places, jailed people who failed to pay probation fines and fees—although the cost of imprisonment often exceeds the costs for which they are liable. In 2010 North Carolina’s Mecklenburg County spent over $40,000 jailing people for non-payment of criminal-justice debt, and collected just $33,476 from them. Courts in Orleans Parish routinely offered defendants the choice of 30 days in prison or $100 in fines, even though the city had to pay the parish sheriff $22 per day for each inmate it sentenced, and the federal appellate court for the circuit that includes Louisiana found such “fine or time” sentences illegal.


    That Brennan Centre study found that nine of the 15 American states with the largest prison populations permit “collection fees” on criminal-justice debt, which are often payable to private firms. Only one of the 15 (Texas) exempts penniless defendants from additional collection fees.


    All this occurs routinely, though the Supreme Court ruled in 1983 that before a court jails someone for failing to pay a fine or fee, it must first ensure that his failure to pay was wilful—that he could have paid but chose not to. Jailing someone because he cannot pay violates the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause. Similarly, 13 of the 15 states studied by the Brennan Centre charge defendants public-defender fees ($50 for a misdemeanour and $100 for a felony defence in Florida; in Virginia, as much as $1,235 for some felonies), even though the Supreme Court ruled in 1963 that the Sixth Amendment required courts to provide lawyers at no charge for indigent defendants.


    In some states people with outstanding criminal-justice debt cannot vote. In others they lose public benefits such as food stamps and housing assistance. Some states suspend driving licences, making it harder for people to get to the jobs they need to do to pay off their debt. And beyond that, as Eric Balaban of the ACLU notes, such fees create “a two-tiered system of justice, in which the wealthy can satisfy the system quickly, while a poor person charged with the same offence can face years of penalties.”

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    Well, I'll bet there is more to the story than that. In a search, I found Timothy Jackson in an article talking about multiple offenses. There is also the possibility he committed crimes in jail, adding to his sentence.

    Either way...

    As I stated before, I'm OK with the death sentence for first degree crimes against others. If you can't be a civilized person in society, the I say good riddens.

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    A friend of my brothers got his 3rd DWI and is being sentenced on a felony next month. He's 57, owns a business, 2 school age kids. He got his first one in 1976, the second one in 1980, both in another state. He never thought anything of it and it was just something that happened a long time ago, over 30 years. Well, in Texas, they used to not go back past 12 years. He found out that is no longer the case, they can go back for life. So now he's got this mandatory 4 year thing, how much will be suspended he doesn't know. And he's a convicted felon. He blew .09 after leaving a bar after happy hour. So, be aware, they can now go back for LIFE. So if you've had 2, no matter how long ago, you get another and it's an automatic felony that by law, can't be plead down to a misdemeanor. I don't know. I get the whole 'drunk driving' thing but I'm not too keen on this. Oh well. Sucks to be him.

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    These third-strike laws for non-violent offenders are ridiculous. It's like zero-tolerance policies, there's no room for a bit of common sense.

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    "there's no room for a bit of common sense."

    there' no room the a to judge.

    I'd really like to now how much police unions, prison guard unions, commercial prison corps gave politicians to get 3rd strike and Rockefeller drugs laws passed.



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    A friend of my brothers got his 3rd DWI and is being sentenced on a felony next month. He's 57, owns a business, 2 school age kids. He got his first one in 1976, the second one in 1980, both in another state. He never thought anything of it and it was just something that happened a long time ago, over 30 years. Well, in Texas, they used to not go back past 12 years. He found out that is no longer the case, they can go back for life. So now he's got this mandatory 4 year thing, how much will be suspended he doesn't know. And he's a convicted felon. He blew .09 after leaving a bar after happy hour. So, be aware, they can now go back for LIFE. So if you've had 2, no matter how long ago, you get another and it's an automatic felony that by law, can't be plead down to a misdemeanor. I don't know. I get the whole 'drunk driving' thing but I'm not too keen on this. Oh well. Sucks to be him.
    Those are only the 3 times got caught, so there were probably 10s of times in 40+ years he was DWI and didn't get caught. The long reach back does make sense in that way

    .09 is very damn high. He should thank BigAlcohol for blocking reduction of the limit to 0.05 or 0.04 as in the those countries serious about drunk driving and their politicians not owned by BigAlcohol.

    He's got a substance abuse problem. The judge should have ordered him into treatment, not prison.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol..._United_States

    ".08 BAC Law: Well-publicized laws lowering driver BAC limits to .08 have reduced alcohol-related fatalities by an average of 7% in 32 States, the District of Colombia and Puerto Rico. On average, .08 laws save an estimated $40 per licensed driver nationwide. The value of mobility losses and alcohol sales reductions resulting from the law are the large majority of the estimated $3 cost per licensed driver."

    http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/a...ing_pg2/us.htm


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    its actually much cheaper to provide for them on the outside then inside prison

    down here it costs 50k if they live inside prison, outside if they live on welfare its about 12-15k manageable

    taxpayer doesnt benefit besides the corporations using inmates as slave labor...

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    These third-strike laws for non-violent offenders are ridiculous. It's like zero-tolerance policies, there's no room for a bit of common sense.
    I'm kind of mixed when it comes to DWI. Though it is a nonviolent crime, so many drunks kill people with cars as a weapon.

    I'll bet more people die from a drunk using a car as an unintended weapon than are killed by legal owners of firearms.

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    its actually much cheaper to provide for them on the outside then inside prison

    down here it costs 50k if they live inside prison, outside if they live on welfare its about 12-15k manageable

    taxpayer doesnt benefit besides the corporations using inmates as slave labor...
    Well, he can't run anyone over from jail.

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    its actually much cheaper to provide for them on the outside then inside prison

    down here it costs 50k if they live inside prison, outside if they live on welfare its about 12-15k manageable

    taxpayer doesnt benefit besides the corporations using inmates as slave labor...
    It's not cheaper for me when they steal my or drunk drive over my family.

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    I'm kind of mixed when it comes to DWI. Though it is a nonviolent crime, so many drunks kill people with cars as a weapon.

    I'll bet more people die from a drunk using a car as an unintended weapon than are killed by legal owners of firearms.
    I bet there are more innocent people and kids killed in gun accidents than gun fellators killing home invaders or gun fellators killing perceived SYG threats. but of course, the NRA/gun-mfrs have bought regulations to stop govt from collecting gun stats. Wonder why?

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    I bet there are more innocent people and kids killed in gun accidents than gun fellators killing home invaders or gun fellators killing perceived threats. but of course, the NRA/gun-mfrs have bought regulations to stop govt from collecting gun stats. Wonder why?
    Traffic deaths trump gun deaths by a wide margin. Care to rethink your words? I simply separated it to DWI cause vs. legal owner caused.

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    I'm kind of mixed when it comes to DWI. Though it is a nonviolent crime, so many drunks kill people with cars as a weapon.

    I'll bet more people die from a drunk using a car as an unintended weapon than are killed by legal owners of firearms.
    IDK...I bet a good portion of those drunk drivers are legal firearm owners.

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    Traffic deaths trump gun deaths by a wide margin. Care to rethink your words? I simply separated it to DWI cause vs. legal owner caused.
    I said nothing about traffic vs gun deaths. care to re-read what I wrote?

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    I said nothing about traffic vs gun deaths. care to re-read what I wrote?
    LOL. No one cares to do that. Ever. Most regret reading your posts the first time.

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    LOL. No one cares to do that. Ever. Most regret reading your posts the first time.

    ... pearls before swine

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    I said nothing about traffic vs gun deaths. care to re-read what I wrote?
    Your ignoring an important point.

    Even if you take all gun death vs. all traffic death, cars still kill more people than guns. No matter how you slice it.

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    Your ignoring an important point.

    Even if you take all gun death vs. all traffic death, cars still kill more people than guns. No matter how you slice it.
    no, I'm not ignoring YOUR important point. if you want to play that game, avoidable medical errors kill 100K US people/year.

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    no, I'm not ignoring YOUR important point. if you want to play that game, avoidable medical errors kill 100K US people/year.
    That's not cut and dry. that's opinion.

    There are solid statistics of how many people violating gun laws and get caught who kill vs. how many people caught violating DWI laws kill.

    Now if someone gets caught a 3rd time for DWI, just how many times do you think that person has driven and not been caught? A 3rd time is not something to ignore. The second time should be very harsh as well.

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    I'm kind of mixed when it comes to DWI. Though it is a nonviolent crime, so many drunks kill people with cars as a weapon.

    I'll bet more people die from a drunk using a car as an unintended weapon than are killed by legal owners of firearms.
    You could make an argument about DWI. But shoplifting?

    Heck, even in the DWI case, just give the judge the option to sentence to life, but don't tie his hands if he thinks otherwise.

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    Most people that are killed in car wrecks alcohol isn't a factor. Speed is the biggest factor and driving too fast for conditions as well as 'other' distractions. And most people that are killed in DWI deaths are the driver and only the driver. Followed by the driver and his passenger. Personally, and I don't drink myself but I used to and never had a wreck or got a DWI but, I believe with DWI how they were driving should be a factor to the punishment. Doing the Mexican Indy aka 'driving on the wrong side of the road' or speeding while drunk, running a stop sign drunk or red light....should be punished harshly. But most are pulled over the DWI task force that either pulls 'em over leaving the bar or because of the time of night it is and say there were 'driving erratically' or 'didni't come to a complete stop' or failed to use their turn signal. etc etc....I don't know, seem like it's just as crazy to ruin someones life who in reality, harmed no one. A lot of DWI punishment is 'collective punishment' ...a concept I do not agree with in general as it is anti-american, as is 'mandatory sentencing' along with 'private prisons'. A Bad combination for society.

    You could make an argument about DWI. But shoplifting?

    Heck, even in the DWI case, just give the judge the option to sentence to life, but don't tie his hands if he thinks otherwise.

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    "Most people that are killed in car wrecks alcohol isn't a factor. Speed is the biggest factor and driving too fast for conditions as well as 'other' distractions. And most people that are killed in DWI deaths are the driver and only the driver."

    link?



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