Food stamp cuts hit 9 million elderly and disabled people

[RandomGuy]

Tbh I've probably done more for these filthy people than he has. Required pro bono work is a ...

"required" pro bono. So you are forced to help the poor. I find that delicious.

If that is the case, you have done more than I. I simply donate to a couple of childrens charities in my area, and occasionally work at one of the homeless shelters, although time constraints have stopped that for now.

When life eases up in about a year or so, I will probably do some work for CASA, as it is one of the things I believe in most, but I have to be able to support my family first.

And I would point out that I am not saying I am more moral than most or even some people.

I am saying you are less moral than most people, and quite arguably slightly insane, given some of your other statements.

[pgardn]

I try to keep them alive and you try to keep them out of prison...............but we're the murderous Nazi bas s.


I love this forum.

You do love this forum. Your Nazi testimonial with m>s was moving. Yeah I remember...

when did you finally see the truth? My parents had suggested...

You remember it. I am just trying to fathom how you do your work with hatred. It's not like the subhumans are innocent pets to you. Does it feel like removing some rat from your basement with a have-a-heart trap, making sure the rat is not injured, and then releasing it knowing it might end up back in your basement?

If anything, you should be lauded for your initial honest testimonial, but now you are backtracking on your, "When did you find Jesus moment". It's MF strange imo. Sorry, back to the topic, let them starve, they don't deserve my tax money...

[RandomGuy]

I most definitely do not think people that need help are inferior to me, and I very, very much want less human misery.

[Randomguy,]on a psychological level, you desire that suffering

That is normally called lying when you say I think X when I say I think Y.

Or to put it another way,

A strawman logical fallacy.

Fallacy: Straw Man

Description of Straw Man

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and subs utes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

Person A has position X.
Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
Person B attacks position Y.
Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not cons ute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

Person A = Randomguy
Position X = I, Randomguy, desire less human misery in the world.
Person B = vy65
vy65 represents that what Randomguy really wants when he posts pictures of human misery is more of it, therefore his position that we should act to stop some human misery is flawed.

QED.


This is what a Strawman Logical Fallacy looks like, DD. Just in case you are too lazy to look it up.

[RandomGuy]

I try to keep them alive and you try to keep them out of prison...............but we're the murderous Nazi bas s.


I love this forum.

Children who should've never been born ... Yeah, let 'em starve-

Quote Originally Posted by RandomGuy
"Broods of failure"

Funny way to talk about children.

What is your solution for the children of this "filth"?

them. Let them starve. Social Darwinism is my solution.

Social Darwinism is the application of Darwinism, the concept of survival of the fittest, to everyday social cir stances. These can range from wealth debates to political debates, with the general principle being that the strong should see their wealth and power increase while the weak should see their wealth and power decrease. Different social Darwinists have different views about which groups of people are the strong and the weak, and they also hold different opinions about the precise mechanism that should be used to promote strength and punish weakness. Many such views stress compe ion between individuals in laissez-faire capitalism; but similar concepts have motivated ideas of eugenics, racism, imperialism,[1] fascism, Nazism and struggle between national or racial groups.[2][3]

Yeah, pretty much.

[RandomGuy]

Starvation is a severe deficiency in caloric energy, nutrient, and vitamin intake. It is the most extreme form of malnutrition. In humans, prolonged starvation can cause permanent organ damage[1] and eventually, death. The term inanition refers to the symptoms and effects of starvation.

According to the World Health Organization, hunger is the single gravest threat to the world's public health.[2] The WHO also states that malnutrition is by far the biggest contributor to child mortality, present in half of all cases.[2] Undernutrition is a contributory factor in the death of 3.1 million children under five every year.[3] Figures on actual starvation are difficult to come by, but according to the Food and Agriculture Organization, the less severe condition of undernourishment currently affects about 842 million people, or about one in eight (12.5%) people in the world population.[4]

The bloated stomach, as seen in the picture to the [below], represents a form of malnutrition called kwashiorkor which is caused by insufficient protein despite a sufficient caloric intake.[5] Children are more vulnerable to kwashiorkor whose advanced symptoms include weight loss and muscle wasting.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation

Seems pretty harmful to me. I would not wish that on anyone, let alone innocent children, regardless of what their parents did.

That's ing evil.

[RandomGuy]

Neat. Still haven't answered my question. I've figured out that you don't have a response.

It's cool though. I'd totally try ting on people more successful than me while asking them to foot the bill for I thought was a good idea if I was some piece of accountant.

Now if you could post some more dictionary.com definitions of irrelevant terms that'd be great ...

I actually did answer your question, if memory serves. It gets buried in my over-caffinated post blizzards.

[AntiChrist]

Why does RG keep posting images of emaciated foreign children?

[RandomGuy]

Zing. The only thing that would have made that better is if you vy is a ty lawyer

If your argumentation here is any indication... Baseless assertions, logical fallacies, and an inability to figure out that some truths can be objectively known through evidentiary discovery. Not exactly the track record of what most would consider a stellar performance for someone whose job was centered around arguing matters of truth, IMO.

[RandomGuy]

Why does RG keep posting images of emaciated foreign children?

Do you think starvation is harmful?

[RandomGuy]

Great, so explain your schema of personal responsibility. Please explain specifically how you hold people who are on welfare or are unable to support a family but who do have a family. In other words, what do you do with those people on or "near" welfare, who cannot financially support a family, but have one anyway? How are they held responsible for their actions?

So back to this. I think I am done rubbing your nose in the you left on the floor.

You are a bit young, so you probably don't remember much about the welfare debates in the mid- to late nineties when the system was overhauled.

At that time, people who tend to think like you, and people who tend to think like me both agreed that adding in features to what is commonly called "welfare" to encourage personal responsibility was a good idea. I spent a good deal of time combing through the peer-reviewed research available at the time.

My schema is to simply offer help to those who need it, with means testing for income level, limited lifetime potential benefits, and other things.

I accept, and have fully noted, that some lazy s will abuse the system. I view this as a cost to be borne for helping those who really need it. The amount of assistance available generally does not provide more than a bare subsistence level living, so if people who are lazy want to live in that kind of misery, about all one can do is offer them job training, and if they want to improve their lives, they can.

Further, if you want to assert that this is a huge problem, then tell me what the scope of that problem is, with some definitions, solid evidence that is as objective as possible, and then we can find some public policy options that make sense in the real world.

What I will grant:
Useless s exist.
Some useless s get money from the government, and this enables them to be useless s, for as long as they want to.

What needs to be proven:
Exactly which programs give money to these people.
What percentage of funds go to these people.
How exactly do we identify these people.

If you want to change something, you need to have a concrete solution. I will assume you aren't serious about killing children by withholding food, and would prefer something else, although that is a tenuous assumption on my part.

[AntiChrist]

[RandomGuy]

Why does RG keep posting images of emaciated foreign children?

Do you think starvation is harmful?

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In a perfect world, you might be honest enough to answer that rather simple question.

But, you aren't honest enough to do so. You know that the answer would then be used against someone who you basically, philosophically agree with, and, by extension, damn your own views. So you deflect.

Here is what an honest exchange would look like:


RG: Do you think starvation is harmful?
DS: Yes, obviously.
RG: Do you think purposely harming children is moral?
DS: No, of course not.

You would, then, be in agreement with me that statements that children need to starve are abhorrent.

Since you are not honest, you would never admit that. So I just did it for you, because I know you generally lack the courage to contradict someone you agree with, and allow anyone you don't generally agree with to win any point in any discussion.

You're welcome.

[AntiChrist]

Do you think starvation is harmful?

I think you should do some research. Perhaps you should visit the CDC website and find out the biggest health risks that children face in the USA (not North Korea, Eastern Europe, or countries in Africa).

[AntiChrist]

I also think mass murder is harmful, but I don't think it's going on in the US.

[AntiChrist]

How many of people have died of starvation at that homeless shelter that you "volunteer" at? I'm guessing zero.

[RandomGuy]

I think you should do some research. Perhaps you should visit the CDC website and find out the biggest health risks that children face in the USA (not North Korea, Eastern Europe, or countries in Africa).

I also think mass murder is harmful, but I don't think it's going on in the US.

How many of people have died of starvation at that homeless shelter that you "volunteer" at? I'm guessing zero.

[AntiChrist]

Lol, ad hominem.

[Wild Cobra]

What I find laughable is that being hungry is not the same as starvation, but you liberal leaning ones are calling it starvation.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Why does RG keep posting images of emaciated foreign children?

When all is lost, just spam pics of Ethiopian kids to try and tug at the ollllll' heartstrings. RG reminds me of that fat bald bas you see on those "poor soonjoon can't even afford a bowl of rice a day" commercials.

[DeadlyDynasty]

You do love this forum. Your Nazi testimonial with m>s was moving. Yeah I remember...

when did you finally see the truth? My parents had suggested...

You remember it. I am just trying to fathom how you do your work with hatred. It's not like the subhumans are innocent pets to you. Does it feel like removing some rat from your basement with a have-a-heart trap, making sure the rat is not injured, and then releasing it knowing it might end up back in your basement?

If anything, you should be lauded for your initial honest testimonial, but now you are backtracking on your, "When did you find Jesus moment". It's MF strange imo. Sorry, back to the topic, let them starve, they don't deserve my tax money...

Not sure what your point is, or what you hope to accomplish with this post.

Would you prefer I have a good cry on-scene before trying to resuscitate someone?

[vy65]

I'd really like to thank RG for saving all those lives by posting pictures. The way you fed all those children by posting pictures of emaciated Africans was really moving. You're a modern day saint.

[vy65]

And before he blows his rape whistle, this is what the above is in reference to:

Why does RG keep posting images of emaciated foreign children?

Do you think starvation is harmful?

Still trying to figure out the causal connection here ...

[FuzzyLumpkins]

When all is lost, just spam pics of Ethiopian kids to try and tug at the ollllll' heartstrings. RG reminds me of that fat bald bas you see on those "poor soonjoon can't even afford a bowl of rice a day" commercials.

So you are going to ignore the actual demographic of people that receive food stamps as was pointed out in the beginning of the thread.

[vy65]

lol Random Struthers:

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And before he blows his rape whistle, this is what the above is in reference to:

Still trying to figure out the causal connection here ...

You having a difficult time figuring the connection between severance of food aid and starvation. That is pretty sad.