Hunting: Right or Wrong?

[Hook Dem]

I may have worded it bad.

"I think most hunters eat their kill; it's not just sport. If you're not a vegetarian, it's hypocritical to have a problem with hunting."

I don't see how that makes sense, would you explain...?

And that's not doing the dirty work. That's not even work. Doing it with a knife close combat like mentioned above would be doing the dirty work. You have a gun, there is no dirty work involved. But it is dirty though.

I tend to agree with you Brutalis. Hunters feed these poor animals all summer and then when they come to get the expected food.....BANG!!!! Thats not hunting. Thats like shooting the family dog after feeding him. To each his own but it's not for me!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

No.

You do not hunt cattle. You do not hunt chickens. Therefor that makes no sense to me. It seems the way our world was created was, some animals were provided and others were not. Therefor, again, why go chase and kill something when it's already provided. You just have a taste for that kind of meat or the thrill of killing it? I don't get it.

Fine, you don't get it.

Yes, some people have a taste for that kind of meat. Yes, it's legal. Hunting is so heavily regulated, at least in Texas, that going against the law is simply stupid based on fines and jail time possible.

[Summers]

While I can't speak to exactly what she meant by that, it seems that she's saying if you eat meat (which is essentially being killed in the same manner for people to have their Big Macs), then having a problem with hunting would be hypocritical.

If I'm wrong, Summers, my bad.

That's exactly what I meant.

[Brutalis]

I think it has something to do with this case. The meat in your store got there through the same "one-sided, lop-sided event" you spoke of in your first post.

I disagree because like I said up there, a cow will stand there when you kill it while a deer is fleeing for its life. Not saying that's why we shouldn't go kill a deer I'm saying that's why it seems obvious some animals look to have been provided for us by our creator (whatever you believe) rather than chasing something down and murdering it.

[Brutalis]

Fine, you don't get it.

Yes, some people have a taste for that kind of meat. Yes, it's legal. Hunting is so heavily regulated, at least in Texas, that going against the law is simply stupid based on fines and jail time possible.

I get it just fine. We just have different opinions on the matter.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Why?

Hunting is a sort of a North American thing I think. America has literally made it into a huge popular game. I know hunting accurs all over the world but the USA made it into an industry.

Where as people in Europe who might not come from a culture used to going around with a gun and chasing down innocent animals don't get why the that's even fun. I'm assuming of course.

By that logic...innocent animals:

[Brutalis]

I tend to agree with you Brutalis. Hunters feed these poor animals all summer and then when they come to get the expected food.....BANG!!!! Thats not hunting. Thats like shooting the family dog after feeding him. To each his own but it's not for me!

I laughed so hard after reading that and seeing some hick looking guy in your profile. I bet he didnt have a problem with it!

[Summers]

No.

You do not hunt cattle. You do not hunt chickens. Therefor that makes no sense to me. It seems the way our world was created was, some animals were provided and others were not. Therefor, again, why go chase and kill something when it's already provided. You just have a taste for that kind of meat or the thrill of killing it? I don't get it.

Most of the meat in our country is farmed in huge, over-crowded, filthy industrial farms. I'm sure everyone's already heard about the chickens who can't stand up, and how our beef has to filled to the gills with antibiotics to keep them from suc bing to their deplorable living conditions, so I won't get too much on my soap box.

My point is, because you like your burgers and fried chickens, the meat industry raises these animals in unnatural settings, pumps them full of hormones and antibiotics, then slaughters them by the herd/flock. (I'm not a vegetarian, btw, but I do buy free-range chicken and ranch beef as often as possible). How do you get to feel okay about that as you eat at McDonald's but look down your nose at someone who kills a deer, drags its carcass across town on his truck, peels every morsel of meat off the bone, and shares it with all his friends?

[Brutalis]

By that logic...innocent animals:

Now you're just pushing your belief onto me which sounds very Bush like. No offense.

It's just cows and chickens have historically always been means of food because it was provided by whatever creator or whoever made this earth.

They give milk, lay eggs, and are IMO natural sources of meat our bodies need to be healthy.

[chode_regulator]

And I advise you never to try and battle blog either.

or what? you going to fly to nc and beat my ass?

LMAO one deer a season? No.

thats what it is in texas. i was just talking to my g/f's dad about this over xmas. i couldnt believe you nly get to shoot one. bow hunting may be different. again im using texas as an example bc thats where im from and i asume most people on here as well. i can ask my frineds here that hunt or i guess i could google it for nc but im too lazy.

As in if you point a gun at a cow it will stand there, it won't run. Where as if you point a gun at a deer it will freak and run. It will run regardless.

ok, cows are dumb as to begin with so thats not even an even comparison. and a deer wont run form just pointing a gun at it. deer are skittish by nature and will run at just about anything, be it a noise, a smell or they just dont feel comfortbale.

Now. You have claimed I am ignorant therefor causing me to end any furthur debate with you seeing how you cannot differenciate a need and a want. Moreless insulting someone with a different opinion.

lets see, you pretty much called me ignorant in your first reply to me. and im not calling you ignorant bc your views differ, im calling you ignorant bc you have no actual facts to back up your views and are just posting opinions.

when making a thread about something like this you have to realize beofre hand that thers going to be controversy over it and extreme opposite views. start a thread about which is better ford or chevy? or which is better the mustang or camaro? or which came first the chicken or the egg? or who believes in the big bang and who believes in evolution?

and lastly back to your "fishing" point. in your second post you state that fish are abundant, then in your third post backtrack and admit that due to peole being stupid/greedy/ignorant/careless that fish are starting to run into the same problems. why else do you think speckled trout min size limit increased a few years ago? same with reds? and flounder? and probably a load of other fish.
so again i ask, how is fishing different?

[chode_regulator]

Why?

Hunting is a sort of a North American thing I think. America has literally made it into a huge popular game. I know hunting accurs all over the world but the USA made it into an industry.

Where as people in Europe who might not come from a culture used to going around with a gun and chasing down innocent animals don't get why the that's even fun. I'm assuming of course.

just figured it would have been the majority one way or the other. i guess the women of the forum havent woke up yet so that will change once they start posting.

[Summers]

I disagree because like I said up there, a cow will stand there when you kill it while a deer is fleeing for its life. Not saying that's why we shouldn't go kill a deer I'm saying that's why it seems obvious some animals look to have been provided for us by our creator (whatever you believe) rather than chasing something down and murdering it.

If you believe it's murder, then it doesn't matter if you knock a cow's head in with a hammer while you coo and pet her or chase down a deer with a rifle. It's still murder.

[Brutalis]

Most of the meat in our country is farmed in huge, over-crowded, filthy industrial farms. I'm sure everyone's already heard about the chickens who can't stand up, and how our beef has to filled to the gills with antibiotics to keep them from suc bing to their deplorable living conditions, so I won't get too much on my soap box.

My point is, because you like your burgers and fried chickens, the meat industry raises these animals in unnatural settings, pumps them full of hormones and antibiotics, then slaughters them by the herd/flock. (I'm not a vegetarian, btw, but I do buy free-range chicken and ranch beef as often as possible). How do you get to feel okay about that as you eat at McDonald's but look down your nose at someone who kills a deer, drags its carcass across town on his truck, peels every morsel of meat off the bone, and shares it with all his friends?

Yes the way livestalk and poultry are treated and conditioned in our country and around the world makes me ing sick as well as sad.

But like I stated replying to someone else above...

cows give milk, chickens lay eggs, and to the naked eye appear to be natural sources of meat for human beings. Trying to compare that with chasing down an animal and murdering it for sport does not compare

I will agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Brutalis]

If you believe it's murder, then it doesn't matter if you knock a cow's head in with a hammer while you coo and pet her or chase down a deer with a rifle. It's still murder.

Wrong. But you are en led to your own opinion as am I.

(wow @ the red-blooded americans)

[Brutalis]

just figured it would have been the majority one way or the other. i guess the women of the forum havent woke up yet so that will change once they start posting.

LMAO WTF is that supposed to mean? Holy crap.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Now you're just pushing your belief onto me which sounds very Bush like. No offense.

Oh, for the love of God. You wanted an opinion and you got one. Don't ask questions to which you're not ready (or willing to hear people's opinions on) to hear the answers.

I'm not pushing my beliefs at anybody. I actually agree with you in the sense that there are significantly more cattle and chickens available which allow for more Chick-Fil-A and Wendy's franchises.

I'm just stating that by the logic you gave about the US making hunting into an industry of killing innocent animals, what makes a cow and a chicken that less innocent?

It's just cows and chickens have historically always been means of food because it was provided by whatever creator or whoever made this earth.

They give milk, lay eggs, and are IMO natural sources of meat our bodies need to be healthy.

Very much so.

I just believe that hunting within the guidelines set upon by the state of Texas in the state of Texas is fine.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild...nimal_listing/

2005-2006 Texas Hunting Season Dates, Grouped by Animal (also included limits)

[Summers]

Wrong. But you are en led to your own opinion as am I.

(wow @ the red-blooded americans)

I won't turn this political, because anyone who knows me knows I'm a yellow-dog Democrat, but I did grow up on a farm and I like meat. Having a different opinion from yours doesn't make me wrong. I think it's bizarre you've arbitrarily categorized the animals you personally like to eat as "okay to kill". If we were talking about people, it doesn't matter if you kill someone in their sleep or run over them 6 times in your car (I think that's a good comparative analogy); it's still murder. So, how is it humane to herd cows through slaughter houses but it's not humane to shoot a deer from 40 feet away with a precision rifle? Because you believe God put cows on this earth for us to eat? That's just not a very good answer.

[Summers]

just figured it would have been the majority one way or the other. i guess the women of the forum havent woke up yet so that will change once they start posting.

Uh.... ( o ) ( o )

[Brutalis]

Oh, for the love of God. You wanted an opinion and you got one. Don't ask questions to which you're not ready (or willing to hear people's opinions on) to hear the answers.

Erm, I think you misunderstood somewhere. Or we both did. You just make no sense to to me posting pictures trying to show what you think in assuming my own logic. Zero sense to me.

I'm not pushing my beliefs at anybody. I actually agree with you in the sense that there are significantly more cattle and chickens available which allow for more Chick-Fil-A and Wendy's franchises.

I'm just stating that by the logic you gave about the US making hunting into an industry of killing innocent animals, what makes a cow and a chicken that less innocent?

They are just as innocent as any other animal..... Which has me now repeating myself in saying some animals are provided, some are not. Why seek and destroy a new animal for sport when there are ones already appearing to be provided for us. I see what youre saying, you make sense, it's just not the same sense I agree with.

I agree to disagree though. We just see things differently I guess. I'm not any kind of tree huggin' hippy but still.. .. . yeah. We just differ. It's cool.

[Brutalis]

will fix this post in a few

[Brutalis]

or what? you going to fly to nc and beat my ass?


thats what it is in texas. i was just talking to my g/f's dad about this over xmas. i couldnt believe you nly get to shoot one. bow hunting may be different. again im using texas as an example bc thats where im from and i asume most people on here as well. i can ask my frineds here that hunt or i guess i could google it for nc but im too lazy.


ok, cows are dumb as to begin with so thats not even an even comparison. and a deer wont run form just pointing a gun at it. deer are skittish by nature and will run at just about anything, be it a noise, a smell or they just dont feel comfortbale.


lets see, you pretty much called me ignorant in your first reply to me. and im not calling you ignorant bc your views differ, im calling you ignorant bc you have no actual facts to back up your views and are just posting opinions.

when making a thread about something like this you have to realize beofre hand that thers going to be controversy over it and extreme opposite views. start a thread about which is better ford or chevy? or which is better the mustang or camaro? or which came first the chicken or the egg? or who believes in the big bang and who believes in evolution?

and lastly back to your "fishing" point. in your second post you state that fish are abundant, then in your third post backtrack and admit that due to peole being stupid/greedy/ignorant/careless that fish are starting to run into the same problems. why else do you think speckled trout min size limit increased a few years ago? same with reds? and flounder? and probably a load of other fish.
so again i ask, how is fishing different?

I didnt call you . And you have no facts as well. Stop replying to me.

[Summers]

I didnt call you . And you have no facts as well. Stop replying to me.

No, actually, chode's right about cows being dumb as .

[Brutalis]

I won't turn this political, because anyone who knows me knows I'm a yellow-dog Democrat, but I did grow up on a farm and I like meat. Having a different opinion from yours doesn't make me wrong. I think it's bizarre you've arbitrarily categorized the animals you personally like to eat as "okay to kill". If we were talking about people, it doesn't matter if you kill someone in their sleep or run over them 6 times in your car (I think that's a good comparative analogy); it's still murder. So, how is it humane to herd cows through slaughter houses but it's not humane to shoot a deer from 40 feet away with a precision rifle? Because you believe God put cows on this earth for us to eat? That's just not a very good answer.

You are just like my grandma. Old-fashion. And theres nothing wrong with that and thats not an insult. Thats how you were raised and I respect you very much and your opinion.

But.

I didnt mean you ARE wrong. I mean, thats wrong IMO. Thats all.

"Okay to kill" .... like I said. Some animals are provided for us to feed on, as the cow and chicken I exampled earlier that produce milk and eggs and historically have been the main source of meat.

Regardless of what answer you think is good enough doesnt matter. I would say the same about a lot of things I reply to in this forum but that doesnt make them always wrong either.

[Brutalis]

No, actually, chode's right about cow's being dumb as .

Yes but. Elephants are rumored to have the brain the size of a grapefruit but they are amazingly smart animals. (im not sure the size of their brain)

But we truely dont know about their intellegence. How do we know that God, (if you believe in God, if not disregard everything because we just have to agree to disagree) didnt instill some sort of um... trait in chickens and cows to just not give a about being slaughtered to feed our families? We dont. Thus making everything opinionated.