Lakers: 111-111

[Koolaid_Man]

To Hit or Not To Hit...That Is The Question

[Michael Jordan.]

I went into a little detail with these three rosters simply because the story over time has been that Kobe carried 4 carcasses around the court with him for three years, but it’s just not true; he had more to work with and a better coaching situation than Jason Kidd ever experienced in his prime. Overall, Kobe’s influence on LA’s W-L records wasn't very noticeable (111-111 with him, 9-14 without --- I know fans will want to jump on this as proof of his influence, so I'll point out that 14 of those contests were against teams at or above .500, meaning the expected W-L record for a .500 club against that lineup is 9-14), and he certainly wasn’t able to keep the team afloat when Lamar Odom was injured. In fact, a much stronger case can be made that Odom was the one carrying the franchise during this time based on the Lakers’ W-L records with and without him. The numbers indicate that Kobe’s impact was minimal.

[Koolaid_Man]

To Hit or Not To Hit...That Is The Question..

[Michael Jordan.]

0-3

[midnightpulp]

They won't do Webber turning his back on Horry.
They won't do Wallace turning his back on Horry.
They won't do Duncan missing that layup.

You blow the Webber play out of proportion. If anybody should be crucified for that play, it's Vlade for that idiotic back tap in lieu of corralling the board.

And they sure as do Webber against North Carolina.

Seriously, how much do "coverage" of Webber's defensive lapse on Horry do you expect? That's not exactly a play the media routinely "crucifies" a player over.

They don't do Duncan because to admit a choke there (or in 6) would take the shine away from James' repeat. It's not about the Spurs being bulletproof. It's about protecting James. It'd be about how the Spurs lost it and not how James won it.

You know this. But you're eternally getting us back for 4>3, so I understand your fervor. And you're also getting us "back" for '84 by proxy, since every thing for you always comes back to '84.

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You blow the Webber play out of proportion. If anybody should be crucified for that play, it's Vlade for that idiotic back tap in lieu of corralling the board.

And they sure as do Webber against North Carolina.

Seriously, how much do "coverage" of Webber's defensive lapse on Horry do you expect? That's not exactly a play the media routinely "crucifies" a player over.

They don't do Duncan because to admit a choke there (or in 6) would take the shine away from James' repeat. It's not about the Spurs being bulletproof. It's about protecting James. It'd be about how the Spurs lost it and not how James won it.

You know this. But you're eternally getting us back for 4>3, so I understand your fervor. And you're also getting us "back" for '84 by proxy, since every thing for you always comes back to '84.

It (Webber) was never even cited. Never even parsed and examined that day, or, since by Media. Just happened in a vacuum like last June. We don't examine that tme frame. We just get a steady diet of James with his 2. Because there is money in the protocol that took place last June. There is no money in tearing down Pop and the Spurs, no money tearing down the Maloofs then and Webber. No money tearing down Barkley and the Suns when Media and America got what they wanted:::MJ with another. No money tearing down Wallace, he was being feted on speculation, a Media gold mine if it were handled correctly and NYC made sure it was handled by the numbers.

But, by God they'll take off after an Incognito, or an A-Rod, because they've been given the go ahead, the chocker chain released.

You're a fool Midst.

[DMC]

When the Lakers have 6 in the cabinet and Kobe makes them take 1 out and have to give it back then he'll be TOSB.

Duncan must wear that shame, his shame. He could not make a layup over a shrimp. Then couldn't make a tap in of the miss over the same shrimp. Don't fret though,,,it not like he' been made to pay for it (cept here). It's like it never happened. James got his back-to-back, Media got what they wanted and it was (hands off Duncan and the Spurs).

More dishonesty from the resident liar. Kobe had 4 HOFers around him, made it to the Finals, got beat by a team with zero HOFers (maybe Billups). If that's not giving it back, nothing is.

[DMC]

They won't do Webber turning his back on Horry.
They won't do Wallace turning his back on Horry.
They won't do Duncan missing that layup.

They won't do Kobe flying in and out of a rape trial, taking too many shots and throwing his team and coach under the bus. You seem to ignore that as well you quitter. That was Kobe's 6th. I allow that the Celtics pushed his in beyond reproach, but he should have won that series against the Pistons.

Because of one white girl in Colorado who already have 5 different genetic samples of semen in her crotch, the trophy went to a deserted crime ridden city instead.

[midnightpulp]

It (Webber) was never even cited. Never even parsed and examined that day, or, since by Media. Just happened in a vacuum like last June. We don't examine that tme frame. We just get a steady diet of James with his 2. Because there is money in the protocol that took place last June. There is no money in tearing down Pop and the Spurs, no money tearing down the Maloofs then and Webber. No money tearing down Barkley and the Suns when Media and America got what they wanted:::MJ with another. No money tearing down Wallace, he was being feted on speculation, a Media gold mine if it were handled correctly and NYC made sure it was handled by the numbers.

But, by God they'll take off after an Incognito, or an A-Rod, because they've been given the go ahead, the chocker chain released.

You're a fool Midst.

Because there is no money in the truth. There is only money in hype and half-truths.

Also, you can't tear someone down while you build up the Golden Boys (Jordan, James, etc). No money in tearing down the Spurs, because, again, it would suggest the Spurs lost it more than James won it.

What angers you about the Media not going after the Spurs? Why you expect they would when the price is indicting James's le?

[Koolaid_Man]

They won't do Kobe flying in and out of a rape trial, taking too many shots and throwing his team and coach under the bus. You seem to ignore that as well you quitter. That was Kobe's 6th. I allow that the Celtics pushed his in beyond reproach, but he should have won that series against the Pistons.

Because of one white girl in Colorado who already have 5 different genetic samples of semen in her crotch, the trophy went to a deserted crime ridden city instead.

that's what I say... a good basketball conversation...the reality is it's Kobe 5 TOSF 6..till that changes nothing else matters....

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Because there is no money in the truth. There is only money in hype and half-truths.

Also, you can't tear someone down while you build up the Golden Boys (Jordan, James, etc). No money in tearing down the Spurs, because, again, it would suggest the Spurs lost it more than James won it.

What angers you about the Media not going after the Spurs? Why you expect they would when the price is indicting James's le?

But, by God they strung up Worthy in '84. Then years later, a few years ago during one of their ing half times they did a retrospective on that sequence with Worthy. You know the kind:::everybody talking in hushed tones, dressed to the 9's, ever so respectful takin it frame by frame like that Zapruder 8MM showing JFK's head getting blitz. And Worthy sitting there discussing it with these ing animals. them. I'd a told them, "do everybody else first, Barkley, Webber, Wallace, McHale, everybody. After you've done all those guys and retropectives then go and your mother some more then come and I'll sit down with ya."

[DMC]

^ Your non-Dale is showing.

[lefty]

MJ shtting on Thread as usual

[jeebus]

Has there been a day in the entire history of spurstalk where lakerfan wasn't on by the entire forum?

[Trainwreck2100]

Has there been a day in the entire history of spurstalk where lakerfan wasn't on by the entire forum?

pregasol trade tbqh, they just weren't here to be on

[unforeseen]

[HI-FI]

MJ shtting on Thread as usual

DMC as well. if there is one thing I like about THread returning, DMC becomes like a resurgent Duncan, just unleashing double barrel blast on the old fart.

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DMC as well. if there is one thing I like about THread returning, DMC becomes like a resurgent Duncan, just unleashing double barrel blast on the old fart.

At least he disobeyed himself and is talking to me. After 6 he wrote War & Peace and swore he woudn't talk to me again as long as lived.

"You guys know me and I am not kidding here. I have never been so mad. It's not Duncan missing a bunny, or, Pop hugging everybody in arms length after it was over, or, Kiwi missing that FT, or, everybody sinking into the paint instead of marching to the arc. No, it's not those things. What is it then? Oh, yeah, it that Dale guy. He left and then the moment we're undressed on national television he comes back and laughs at us. I demand Kori kick him off, or appear naked in front of us."

Signed,

- DMC

[LkrFan]

Record between the Shaq and Gasol era. Now can't win a single game without a dominant frontline. SMH.

Just an example of his supporting casts to put things into context. Carry on with your unbiased agenda.

[Michael Jordan.]

Just an example of his supporting casts to put things into context. Carry on with your unbiased agenda.

He had no top 5 big men during that time period. Carry on.

[UZER]

They won't do Webber turning his back on Horry.
They won't do Wallace turning his back on Horry.
They won't do Duncan missing that layup.

They won't do Dale chicken ting then reappearing after the dust settled.

You have no credibility talking . But its a free country, so parrot away my friend.

[HI-FI]

Just an example of his supporting casts to put things into context. Carry on with your unbiased agenda.

I'm surprised you aren't pulling out the tanking excuse.

"Mitch was spending $100 million plus to tank, that's just Greenspan level economics. Do it Mitch "

LA supposedly being the greatest free agent location yet still needing to tank. Sad thing is they aren't tanking now nor were they then, just KbFan not wanting to realize how overrated their idol is. Let us proceed.....

[LkrFan]

He had no top 5 big men during that time period. Carry on.

His 35.4ppg was reminiscent of your 37.1ppg avg in '86: fruitless without a good supporting cast. Bad example. We know you don't do '80s les.

[Michael Jordan.]

His 35.4ppg was reminiscent of your 37.1ppg avg in '86: fruitless without a good supporting cast. Bad example. We know you don't do '80s les.

Four top 5 big men all in their prime is just a good supporting cast? Got it.

[spurraider21]

Four top 5 big men all in their prime is just a good supporting cast? Got it.

I think he meant to say that Kobe was in the supporting cast, in which case he's spot on.