Splitter??

[rascal]

ing hilarious considering posters like you were talking last year about how Memphis is a match up nightmare for the Spurs and that we'd be lucky to push the series to 6 games.

Where did I say a matchup nightmare? I did predict Memphis to beat the spurs because I didn't think the Spurs would beat Miami. I also didn't think the Spurs would ever lose an NBA finals so for both of those things to happen(The Spurs to not beat Miami and the Spurs to never lose an NBA finals) the Spurs would have had to lose to Memphis.

[Skull-1]

I did say that. Most of Manu's turnovers occurred during the 1st 3 quarters of game 6. All told he had 3 in in the final 17 minutes of the game. Only one of those turnovers actually cost us points (2 Ray Allen Free throws) I've been outspoken but the brunt of game 6 obviously falls squarely on Popovich.

BTW Manu's 8 turnovers accounted for 7 points by Miami. We were up 5 with 30 seconds and Manu had already committed 7 of those. Obviously that isn't the reason we lost the game.

1. Take Duncan and Parker out 5:30 + a full timeout to start the fourth. Stick a lineup consisting of Manu, Green, Neal, Diaw and Splitter on the floor. None of which were playing exceptionally well at that point. We saw a 10 point lead cut to 4 and Miami's crowd get into it. Our offense never looked the same after the end of the 3rd quarter.

2. Duncan out on the final possession (granted that's long, been Pops philosophy)

Skull-1 is the premier Manu basher on ST. Manu could score 40 in 23 minutes and he would call him a ball hog. Every knows he's a clown. I blocked him months ago but he continuously direct quotes me. And he calls me an idiot...

Manu like Tim takes blame for every post season failure. Whether its actually his fault or not. Manu to his credit had an remarkable game 5 (24pts ,10 assists) and was the 3rd leading scorer in game 7 with 18 points when Parker was MIA in Miami.

Seven points! We needed one of those back. Period. And we probably would have scored on four of those possessions so that's another eight points our way. We woulda' won going away without his stupid turnovers.

Add four more bad turnovers in Game 7 when we were desperately trying to stay in it.

Then add in the horrible shot selection in 6 and 7 (early clock bricks).

We ultimately lost Game Six by one point. Once it went to OT it was over. Eight turnovers by Manu gave Miami points and time to run on us. It drained our defense of energy and gave Miami hope. To say they didn't cost us that much is hilarious, idiotic, and silly at the same time.

I quote you because you're wrong. You "blocked" me because I am right. Couldn't defend yourself in the light of logic and truth brought to bear on you by me.

I don't care if you read it or not. It is for the benefit of everyone else so they will see how bad your takes are--if it isn't already obvious to them. Jwash thought I was pulling his leg, that's how stupid the idea of eight turnovers being "no big deal" in the clinch game of the Finals is.

[Cry Havoc]

Where did I say a matchup nightmare? I did predict Memphis to beat the spurs because I didn't think the Spurs would beat Miami. I also didn't think the Spurs would ever lose an NBA finals so for both of those things to happen(The Spurs to not beat Miami and the Spurs to never lose an NBA finals) the Spurs would have had to lose to Memphis.

I'm pointing out that people have been jumping ship on this team since last year and it's pretty hilarious watching people attempt to justify classifying a team with a nearly 80% win rate as terrible.

[HarlemHeat37]

Every possible metric shows that Splitter is a very good all-around defender, it's not really disputable, tbh..

He's one of the 10 best all-around defensive bigs in the league..there are not many bigs that are effective 1 on 1 post defenders, face-up defenders AND pick&roll defenders..

Splitter's problem is that he's a poor offensive player that can't create for himself, along with being soft at finishing, but that's mostly due to lack of athleticism/talent on that end IMO..

[rascal]

Every possible metric shows that Splitter is a very good all-around defender, it's not really disputable, tbh..

He's one of the 10 best all-around defensive bigs in the league..there are not many bigs that are effective 1 on 1 post defenders, face-up defenders AND pick&roll defenders..

Splitter's problem is that he's a poor offensive player that can't create for himself, along with being soft at finishing, but that's mostly due to lack of athleticism/talent on that end IMO..

Splitter is a product of the system being a 7' next to Duncan. Put any other 7' big next to Duncan and they have similar if not better stats. Splitter is not a top 10 big and without Duncan doing the dirty work would get badly exposed.

[ChumpDumper]

Splitter is a good defender. It just looks like he can't play with Duncan anymore. Maybe things will change, but it was going to be a small window for that anyway.

[james evans]

Every possible metric shows that Splitter is a very good all-around defender, it's not really disputable, tbh..

He's one of the 10 best all-around defensive bigs in the league..there are not many bigs that are effective 1 on 1 post defenders, face-up defenders AND pick&roll defenders..

Splitter's problem is that he's a poor offensive player that can't create for himself, along with being soft at finishing, but that's mostly due to lack of athleticism/talent on that end IMO..

he's one of the 10 best defensive bigs in a league with hardly any big men. and when i say "big men" i mean those that play in the paint. dirk nowitzski, though he's 7 foot tall, isn't a big man..

[ElNono]

Every possible metric shows that Splitter is a very good all-around defender, it's not really disputable, tbh..

He's one of the 10 best all-around defensive bigs in the league..there are not many bigs that are effective 1 on 1 post defenders, face-up defenders AND pick&roll defenders..

Splitter's problem is that he's a poor offensive player that can't create for himself, along with being soft at finishing, but that's mostly due to lack of athleticism/talent on that end IMO..

Exactly, his biggest weakness is his poor offense overall. Tiago is a huge improvement defensively over what we used to trot out there before alongside TD: Bonner.

[PingPong]

Trade Splitter and someone else for Bynum.

[Jwash_1986]

i know u like to argue for the sake of carrying on conversations, but even you know deep down splitter is fukin garbage. u can lie to me, u can lie to everyone else on this site, but when u start lying to yourself , that's when the real problems start.

[jimbo]

Trade Splitter and someone else for Bynum.

Pop would rip into him and he'd quit. He needed a motivator like Phil Jackson tbh

[Jwash_1986]

Robin Lopez is playing good. We could've got him and for cheaper. He's mobile, athletic, got a lil jump shot, can block, the list goes on. He's not Kevin Love but he better overall than Splitter.

[james evans]

Robin Lopez is playing good. We could've got him and for cheaper. He's mobile, athletic, got a lil jump shot, can block, the list goes on. He's not Kevin Love but he better overall than Splitter.

exactly who isn't better than splitter? the 1st guy that comes to mind is Thabeet. Thabeet is just horrible. blair used to make him his when connecticut played pittsburg a few years ago

[Baam]

Boris Diaw is the only one who can save the first unit

He will provide better passing and better post scoring. And TP trust him 100% so it's a no brainer really. He's the one guy that can allow everyone to play well together...

Beli is a good player but hr's not the answer...

Only reason they wouldn't do it is if they want to maintain Splitter's value as high as possible until he's eligible for a trade like they did with RJeff who also started until the end. Makes sense because Splitter is paid way too much to be a backup so if he's not starting he has to be moved, I can't wait to read the reaction of the Tiago lovers when that happens, they did so much research to find a select few advanced stats that makes him look like a god that they're gonna be destroyed, the guys at PtR and 48moh will be more shocked than when 6 happened. It's incredible how much support RJeff 2.0, not sure if that comes from being better looking or not openly gay, he was the worst player in back to back elimination series and is just as soft as RJeff ffs...

[Baam]

From 82games, the most effective lineup for Kiwi is just as expected...

5-Man Units

Top Five-Man Floor Units

#	Unit	Min	Off	Def	+/-	W	L	Win%
1	Parker-Green-Leonard-Duncan-Splitter	127	.92	.95	-9	4	7	36
2	Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Diaw-Duncan	71	1.06	1.02	8	8	7	53
3	Parker-Green-Leonard-Ayres-Duncan	43	.94	1.00	-7	2	3	40
4	Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Duncan-Splitter	33	.91	.96	-3	3	4	42
5	Parker-Green-Leonard-Diaw-Duncan	32	1.12	.67	31	8	1	88
6	Parker-Green-Leonard-Bonner-Duncan	24	1.27	1.17	6	3	3	50
7	Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Bonner-Duncan	22	1.30	1.12	10	5	2	71
8	Parker-Green-Leonard-Diaw-Splitter	22	1.00	.93	5	2	1	66
9	Parker-Belinelli-Leonard-Diaw-Duncan	20	1.08	1.45	-15	2	3	40
10	Parker-Belinelli-Leonard-Duncan-Splitter	15	1.00	.68	10	4	1	80
11	Parker-Belinelli-Green-Leonard-Duncan	14	.69	1.00	-10	1	4	20
12	Parker-Ginobili-Green-Leonard-Duncan	12	.89	1.07	-7	1	3	25
13	Parker-Ginobili-Belinelli-Leonard-Duncan	11	1.12	1.08	1	3	2	60
14	Joseph-Green-Leonard-Duncan-Splitter	10	.86	1.00	-3	0	1	0
15	Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Diaw-Splitter	10	1.43	.81	13	4	0	100
16	Parker-Belinelli-Leonard-Bonner-Duncan	10	.81	1.05	-5	2	2	50
17	Mills-Belinelli-Leonard-Diaw-Ayres	9	1.06	1.10	-3	2	3	40
18	Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Bonner-Splitter	9	1.00	.83	4	1	0	100
19	Parker-Green-Leonard-Ayres-Splitter	9	1.50	.75	15	2	0	100
20	Parker-Ginobili-Leonard-Diaw-Ayres	8	.77	1.36	-9	0	4	0

The FO just needs to flip Splitter and Bonner for something useful like a wing defender or a low post scoring option and we'll be fine, back to contenders again...

[Chinook]

Hilarious that people think Duncan's propping up Splitter's defense when it's been the other way around. We have too big of a sample size to be naïve about that.

When are people going to get it through their heads that the Spurs actually have great players on their roster? Pop and the Big Three aren't turning crap into gold. If anything, it was finding the correct medium 4-7 that allow them to remain effective. You'd think they would have learned their lesson after calling for Beli to start over Green for the past five months.

Lucky for us that Diaw is a competent defender. He's not elite like Splitter, but at least there's hope his offense can offset that.

[Baam]

Hilarious that people think Duncan's propping up Splitter's defense when it's been the other way around. We have too big of a sample size to be naïve about that.

When are people going to get it through their heads that the Spurs actually have great players on their roster? Pop and the Big Three aren't turning crap into gold. If anything, it was finding the correct medium 4-7 that allow them to remain effective. You'd think they would have learned their lesson after calling for Beli to start over Green for the past five months.

Lucky for us that Diaw is a competent defender. He's not elite like Splitter, but at least there's hope his offense can offset that.

More like T-Vag is so ty in the low post that he can't stay on the floor and his defense is not enough to offset that at all... At least with the current level of TP, TD and Kawhi...

[Baam]

Unless you want to bench Duncan or Kiwi, Splitter has to go... But Pop is ed since Splitter has this brand new deal with a load of money/years left he has no choice but to start him while he's here or his value is gonna take a hit...

[Chinook]

More like T-Vag is so ty in the low post that he can't stay on the floor and his defense is not enough to offset that at all... At least with the current level of TP, TD and Kawhi...

No low-post player could pair with Duncan any better unless they were equally mobile. Al Jefferson would be sitting on the bench even more than Splitter is now, and he's the best low-post scorer in the game.

[Baam]

No low-post player could pair with Duncan any better unless they were equally mobile. All Jefferson would be sitting on the bench even more than Splitter is now, and he's the best low-post scorer in the game.

Sure pairing him with Duncan would be bad but having him off the bench would be nice... Splitter didn't even work off the bench against Miami in the Finals because he's so limited...

And Boris is just that, equally mobile and better in the low post... Not as long or good on D in general but it's obviously a net positive...

Amir Johnson would be great but we'd be buying so high that I don't see it...

[Chinook]

Sure pairing him with Duncan would be bad but having him off the bench would be nice... Splitter didn't even work off the bench against Miami in the Finals because he's so limited...

And Boris is just that, equally mobile and better in the low post... Not as long or good on D in general but it's obviously a net positive...

Amir Johnson would be great but we'd be buying so high that I don't see it...

I like Diaw starting and all, but he's not as good in the low-post as he appears to be. He has the benefit of playing against bench bigs most of the time. His post game is nice, but it's not something to build an offense around.

[apalisoc_9]

Do people really still think TD is a better defender than Tiago? Tiago has been our best big defender since last year.Why do you think Pop benched tim against GSW? The stats suggest, Tiago is by far our best defender. Timmy is still awesome with blocking shoots, but he's slow. Tiago defender the PNR and the paint area better than anyone else in the league right now...it's too bad he's a total brainfart in the offensive end..His chemisty with kawhi and Green and Belli is specially suspect.

He's the only Big that REFUSES to give kawhi a Screen..probably still deluded thinking he deserves more touches when in reality he's a total fruit cake now in offense.

[jmard5]

So much hate on Splitter... on December.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Splitter is a product of the system being a 7' next to Duncan. Put any other 7' big next to Duncan and they have similar if not better stats. Splitter is not a top 10 big and without Duncan doing the dirty work would get badly exposed.

Exactly my take, I agree 100% I did like it better when I said it first though. LOL JK.

[ThaBigFundamental21]

Do people really still think TD is a better defender than Tiago? Tiago has been our best big defender since last year.Why do you think Pop benched tim against GSW? The stats suggest, Tiago is by far our best defender. Timmy is still awesome with blocking shoots, but he's slow. Tiago defender the PNR and the paint area better than anyone else in the league right now...it's too bad he's a total brainfart in the offensive end..His chemisty with kawhi and Green and Belli is specially suspect.

He's the only Big that REFUSES to give kawhi a Screen..probably still deluded thinking he deserves more touches when in reality he's a total fruit cake now in offense.

TROLLIN HARD!