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i actually like Deuce Bigalow, he presents a challenge. most lakerfans on this forum can be easily curbstomped in arguments, but he actually holds his own
for a guy with so much potential to be the GOAT, he didnt live up to it during the 90s when most of the great centers were declining...yet shaq only makes 1 finals appearance in the 90s is lame for me...
i actually like Deuce Bigalow, he presents a challenge. most lakerfans on this forum can be easily curbstomped in arguments, but he actually holds his own
I'm just searching top 10 lists, here are some
http://www.sportscity.com/whos-the-b...ry/2013/04/05/
http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/...players?page=5
Weird list but Kobe's still ahead lol http://m.voices.yahoo.com/counting-d...-12161861.html
http://m.ranker.com/crowdranked-list...rs-of-all-time
Found one with Duncan over Kobe! http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2012/...-time.html?m=1
http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/05/to...s-of-all-time/
Top 50 list http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/20...f-all-time/#45
dunno how shaq or kobe can be above duncan...
kobe is a fkn coatrider for all 5 of his, how u comparing a coatrider to a franchise player? u should be comparing him to the likes of pippen, horry, kerr, parker, wade
as fror shaq only he has a case, but this clown has so much potential to win more rings, but he fell off quicker for some odd reason
hence if you look at the compe ion shaq won/loss against is the same wankers duncan beated in the finals..the only exception is the piston 03/04 team that duncan beated the following year
lakers 03/04 blow up is like the spurs 12/13 blowup, a fkn coatrider fcking it up cause he thought he had fmvp in his hands while someone else was actually having a better series, rather throw the series then allow someone else get the credit
spurs fell off the face of the planet after 07 when they gave the keys to a coatrider and never regain that winning form
Kobe has like every Laker record but isnt a franchise player? Spurfan gonna re
the records he broke for those current season didnt equate to
remember the +80 +60 pt games against the raptors or mavs, didnt equate to
how about that year he went 10 straight games with over 40pts, didnt equate to
missing the playoffs in ur prime
building up false hope to fans up 3-1 on the suns to go lay a in the next 3 games
They equated to wins
damn i thought we talkin about championships or deep playoff runs here....
81 pt game = win
62 in 3 = win
9 straight 40pt games = 7-2 record
4 straight 50pt games = 4-0 record
Lakers are 5-0 in Kobe's 60 pt games
REGULAR SEASON
When Kobe scores 30+ points
274-145
.654 W-L%
When Kobe scores 40+ points
81-39
.675 W-L%
When Kobe scores 50+ points
17-7
.708 W-L%
PLAYOFFS
When Kobe scores 30+ points
57-31
.648 W-L%
When Kobe scores 40+ points
10-3
.769 W-L%
When Kobe scores 50+ points
0-1
.000 W-L%
FINALS
When Kobe scores 30+ points
9-4
.692 W-L%
When Kobe scores 40+ points
1-0
1.000 W-L%
Kobe has 7 Finals runs and 5 championship winning runs, which ones do you want to talk about?
im talkin about those years he broke records, what did it equate to? = rings?
Scoring the most points in franchise history is a career length of time not just a couple years but all years combined.
Skills without results mean nothing. If a player A is more skilled than player B, but playerB is more dominant and easier to build around, nobody will pick player A as the better player.
Example: divac vs shaq.
How many of those 7 times he was the numero uno
Name 14 of the worst players in the nba, Match them with a prime Lebron. Then ask yourself the question if he would be able to miss a playoff seed
The only time Kobe can be ranked above Duncan is if you count his records and rings (same as u can rank Horry/Fisher types above Duncan)
as a basketball player he doesn't even come close to one of the all time greats and should be matched up with the likes of Wade.
ps. Shaq > Duncan - reason is above me
Last edited by UNCLE-DREW; 01-14-2014 at 08:46 AM.
Kobe was the Lakers' leading scorer and assist man in the Western Conference playoffs (three playoff series to get to the Finals) in 01, 02, 04, 08, 09, 10.How many of those 7 times he was the numero uno
Name 14 of the worst players in the nba, Match them with a prime Lebron. Then ask yourself the question if he would be able to miss a playoff seed
The only time Kobe can be ranked above Duncan is if you count his records and rings (same as u can rank Horry/Fisher types above Duncan)
as a basketball player he doesn't even come close to one of the all time greats and should be matched up with the likes of Wade.
ps. Shaq > Duncan - reason is above me
To get to the 01 Finals Kobe averaged 33/7/7 on 51FG/57TS against San Antonio in the 01 WCF
Do I have to go over this again?
Wilt missed the playoffs in '63, his team went 31-49 with him playing all 80 games. In 1965, Wilt's team went 10-28 but he was traded to the Sixers.
Oscar missed the playoffs in '61 (rookie yr), 68, '69, and '70.
Kareem missed back to back playoffs in the '70s with LA.
Hakeem missed the playoffs in '92, although he did miss 12 games and in those 12 games his team collapsed.
Lebron in 04-05 averaged 27-7-7 on 55%TS but his team missed the playoffs.
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Deuce going ham
Last edited by RsxPiimp; 01-14-2014 at 12:22 PM.
Oscar in '68 led the league in scoring, assists/gm, and ft% but his team missed the playoffs...damn poor Oscar
Kobe in his prime was about 80% of what Lebron is currently, not counting Lebron's willingness to pass and ability to do so, and not counting Kobe's "I'm just like Mike" facial expressions when the bulk of the defense was used on Shaq or Pau.
LOL, equating being scoring to being Number 1. In other news, McHale was the Numero Uno in 88 because he outscored Bird in the playoffs! No, wait, I have to check whether McHale only led in 3 of the 4 series instead, because Kobe sure as wasn't leading the Lakers in scoring in the entire playoffs for 02 or 03.
Wow, scoring against Derek Anderson and Antonio Daniels while the entire Spurs defense was on shutting Shaq down is so impressive!
Yes, going back to the ABA, or even pre-ABA days is the way to go. Superstars did it back in the mid 70s and 60s, so it's absolutely normal even though something like that hasn't happened in 30 years.
As opposed to getting the same record with vs. without him.
Comparing a 20 year old soph to Kobe's prime is ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do. Kudos.
Last edited by ambchang; 01-14-2014 at 08:08 PM.
Most of those are "players of the decade," which conveniently leaves off the year of Timmy's first le and exudes the embarrassing reality that has become the Lakers franchise since 2011.I'll take the extensive poll done by the real hardcore fans of the NBA over the word of one dude who writes for a sports website.
tbh all Kobe has over Timmy is rings, but that isn't the end-all-be-all measurement otherwise we're agreeing that Sam Jones and Tommy Heinsohn are better players than Kobe. It's funny that on one of the lists your provide it claims the Spurs are the team of the decade but Kobe is the player of the decade, which is funny, because when it comes to individual awards, all-time, Timmy beats Kobe out tbh. More FMVP awards, more MVP awards, even a ROY award. Using advanced stats even further proves that Tim Duncan is the superior player all-time and impacted the game at a much higher level than Kobe. Duncan is also the only player in the history of the league to win more than 1 le without an All-NBA teammate in that season. Meanwhile Kobe has had all-star after all-star to carry him to rings his entire career
But Duncan never blocked Lebron in an All-Star game.
Most of those are "players of the decade," which conveniently leaves off the year of Timmy's first le and exudes the embarrassing reality that has become the Lakers franchise since 2011.
tbh all Kobe has over Timmy is rings, but that isn't the end-all-be-all measurement otherwise we're agreeing that Sam Jones and Tommy Heinsohn are better players than Kobe. It's funny that on one of the lists your provide it claims the Spurs are the team of the decade but Kobe is the player of the decade, which is funny, because when it comes to individual awards, all-time, Timmy beats Kobe out tbh. More FMVP awards, more MVP awards, even a ROY award. Using advanced stats even further proves that Tim Duncan is the superior player all-time and impacted the game at a much higher level than Kobe. Duncan is also the only player in the history of the league to win more than 1 le without an All-NBA teammate in that season. Meanwhile Kobe has had all-star after all-star to carry him to rings his entire career
But kobe has never beaten lebron in a 7 game series...
> First block wasn't even on duncan
>2nd block is an obvious goaltend
> only 1 legit block on duncan
>capri doesn't know how to count, he can't seem to count because duncan is not #4 and there were not 3 blocks on duncan on the vid
>you were always good on making propoganda. You should take your talents to north korea with rodman.
A closer look at the numbers.
For the le years 01, 02 and 04.
Kobe PTS/Lakers record (Winning %)
Regular Season
0-10 / 1-3 (25%)
11-20 / 35-17 (67%)
21-30 / 67-17 (80%)
31-40 / 35-12 (74%)
41-50 / 8-1 (89%)
50+ / 0-1 (0%)
Playoffs:
0-10 / 1-1 (50%)
11-20 / 9-5 (64%)
21-30 / 22-7 (76%)
31-40 / 9-4 (69%)
41-50 / 3-0 (100%)
50+ / N/A
So looking at it, there is obviously a correlation for anything over 20points vs. less than 20 points, but not within these groups. But then of course, as a 2nd banana, Kobe scores more when Shaq is being shut down, no surprises here.
Let's look at the 05-07 years, where Kobe was the undoubted #1 option on Lakers.
Regular Season:
0-10 / 1-1 (50%)
11-20 / 3-12 (20%)
21-30 / 21-23 (48%)
31-40 / 25-27 (48%)
41-50 / 20-12 (63%)
50+ / 4-2 (67%)
Playoffs
0-10 / N/A
11-20 / 1-0 (100%)
21-30 / 2-3 (40%)
31-40 / N/A
41-50 / N/A
50+ / 0-1 (0%)
Not as much or a correlation, in fact, pretty much no effect. So when Kobe is the lead guy, how many points he score doesn't necessarily translates into more wins.
Wait wait what? Duncan has 2 scoring les? Duncan has reached the 30k club? Duncan has the 5th most 30pt games in nba history? Duncan has the 3rd most 40pt games in nba history? Duncan has the 3rd most 50 point games of alltime? Duncan has the 5 60 point games which is good for 2nd alltime? Duncan has the 3rd most playoff points ever? Duncan has the 2nd most 30 point playoff games ever? Duncan has 11 all nba first teams which is the most ever?
Most of those are "players of the decade," which conveniently leaves off the year of Timmy's first le and exudes the embarrassing reality that has become the Lakers franchise since 2011.
tbh all Kobe has over Timmy is rings, but that isn't the end-all-be-all measurement otherwise we're agreeing that Sam Jones and Tommy Heinsohn are better players than Kobe. It's funny that on one of the lists your provide it claims the Spurs are the team of the decade but Kobe is the player of the decade, which is funny, because when it comes to individual awards, all-time, Timmy beats Kobe out tbh. More FMVP awards, more MVP awards, even a ROY award. Using advanced stats even further proves that Tim Duncan is the superior player all-time and impacted the game at a much higher level than Kobe. Duncan is also the only player in the history of the league to win more than 1 le without an All-NBA teammate in that season. Meanwhile Kobe has had all-star after all-star to carry him to rings his entire career
Also you didn't respond to these links which are ALLTIME RANKINGS not decade or since 00, ALLTIME:
http://www.sportscity.com/whos-the-b...ry/2013/04/05/
http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/...players?page=5
Weird list but Kobe's still ahead lol http://m.voices.yahoo.com/counting-d...-12161861.html
http://m.ranker.com/crowdranked-list...rs-of-all-time
Found one with Duncan over Kobe! http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2012/...-time.html?m=1
http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/05/to...s-of-all-time/
Top 50 list http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/20...f-all-time/#45
And just lmao at spurfan using a poll by fans as evidence for Duncan being better when I posted MULTPLE fan voting results having Kirby curbstomping Duncan in votes and you guys dismissed it saying "lol at fan voting" when you are here posting what? Fan voting lmao. And one poll btw only.
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