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More than Nash? Nash went from being an average player to NBA superstar/2x MVP in the most system-y system ever.
I don't disagree that MJ was certainly a system player.
But the biggest system player ever IMO was Malone, and its not even close.
More than Nash? Nash went from being an average player to NBA superstar/2x MVP in the most system-y system ever.
Greatest system player, umm... How about Lionel Messi? (provided that great system player = player who plays great in a certain system but sucks elsewhere)
at this got ass troll attempt. If Tim has appeared as a system player, it's because he was the only player on earth good enough to single-handedly sustain such a system in the first place.
You Laker s are gonna have to try harder than this if you want to make yourselves feel better about 16-25.
I always recall happier times:::17 June 2010, 9 June 1985, 6, my Luva revealing that Neal had raped, O & 45!, busting DMC's crack on Mono, Live in Texas, burying Daddy 5-4, fitting Duncan for a tired old bag and leaving him in it, my Luva revealing that Duncan is , Kool Aid Man.You Laker s are gonna have to try harder than this if you want to make yourselves feel better about 16-25.
Average? He made multiple all-star teams before going to Phoenix. He was putting up 17/7 with low turnovers and high shooting percentages in Dallas.
When in Phoenix, he was putting up monster numbers despite having different coaches and players around him. They started with D'Antoni as coach, and players like Amare, Joe Johnson, and Shawn Marion, then eventually became Alvin Gentry as coach, with players like Marcin Gortat, Shannon Brown, and Channing Frye, yet he was still out there putting up double digit assists with incredibly efficient shooting numbers.
IMO, Nash simply is an incredibly good offensive player.
Amare maybe? He was torching it in 2010 but played noticeably worse with New York. At least after Melo came
Still, Amare isn't anything near "superstar" level without a system revolving around him and a good point guard.
I guess someone's limited height doesn't allow him to see anywhere further back than 04 tbh. Nash had been a star player in Dallas for years before moving to Phoenix and I bet some mavs fans were seriously on suicide watch when there broke out the news of Nash's departure. And putting up 17pts a game playing alongside 5-6 badass scorers wasn't too bad imho, not to say the 7-8 assists per game. Nash's definitely one of the greatest offensive players of all time (his assist numbers speak louder than his points imho). And his longevity is rather good too, dude could still crank out double-double stats even at age 37.
Bill Russell, won 11 championships with him at the center of the entire system both defensively and jump starting offense through his outlet passes.
Aren't all players system players? They all play within a system, and those who are most successful in light of winning and maximizing their own strengths are the most successful system players of all time.
True, but, in the backwash of back-to-back National Championships Media went in to the deep south and high tech lynched A.J. McCarron over the term. It's all they had. Now we're stuck with the aftermath.
If MJ was a system player and he's already considered the greatest player ever regardless of a system, then he should also be the greatest system player too.
I'm not questioning his ability to be great without the triangle, but his ultimate success in the NBA came under the triangle system.
Already considered the GOAT + being a system player = the GOAT system player
Not saying that Jordan is not a great system player, but the logic is flawed when considering what GOAT system player means.
If you mean it by the greatest player who happened to play in a system, then it holds true. But if you mean the player who is the greatest when being in a system, then your logic may not be true.
The greatest of all time can really be bad in a system while making up for it in a systemless team (I acknowledge this is some what of a stretch to imagine), then your logic would not work.
John Stockton. Way better than Nash
There are how many Pop students out there now coaching teams and none have had success like SA because they don't have a Tim Duncan. It's like the Bucks trying to run the triangle without Shaq or Magic or Pau.
You Laker s are gonna have to try harder than this if you want to make yourselves feel better about 16-25.
I think there's a difference between the "greatest system players" and "scrubs who somehow look decent in a system they fit", imho.
Bud is making the Hawks look pretty damn good tbh
Hawks have been a playoff team for a long time. They've never looked "pretty damn good" tbh. They finished last season with a higher percentage win rate than they have right now.
They looked perennially middling with the Joe Johnson/Josh Smith/Al Horford core. The only thing worse than that is continually being the 8-10th seed. I don't know why you would try to say that's even close to being a good thing.
Even after Horford went down this year, they've managed to keep the wheels on the train with Teague/Milsap and bunch of nobodies. They've got some good wins recently vs good teams in the Heat, Rockets, Pacers.
They're leading the league in assists too, with Teague (7.6 apg) and
What more can you ask from a good system?
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