Evans has averaged 3.2 offensive boards (7.6 total) per game this season in 21.7 minutes. Nesterovic? 1.7 offensive boards (4.2 total) in 21.8 minutes.
The Spurs need that type of presence on the glass in the big rotation. Evans is a scrappy, hustle player willing to compete. From what I've seen of him in the L he's a team player and not afraid of anyone. I'd feel a lot better with Mohammed starting alongside TD with Horry, Evans and Oberto backing them up. You'd lose the 3rd true center in Nesterovic, but that's assuming that he's a true center with his weak rebounding and non-presence at the free throw line.
The trick is acquiring Evans. If you are looking at a straight up trade, then it'd be either Udrih or Marks for him.
OK, so you would have two team players, who are not afraid of anyone, but only Oberto and Horry to be capable of team defense?
Why is starting Nazr a good idea? Playing him is not a good idea even when he plays a good offensive game (look at Denver for instance).
Are you seriously blaming Nazr for the loss against Denver??? Thats Bull. He was the only one who showed up. It was NOT his fault. So chill with the blind Nazr hate.
This coming from one of those that constantly say: "We didn`t win a championship with Rasho starting, we did with Nazr."Are you seriously blaming Nazr for the loss against Denver??? Thats Bull. He was the only one who showed up. It was NOT his fault. So chill with the blind Nazr hate.
Look into your own hate first...
Constantly saying that??This coming from one of those that constantly say: "We didn`t win a championship with Rasho starting, we did with Nazr."
I think I have said it once. Maybe twice, MAYBE! And when I said it, I didnt mean it the way you are, making it sound. Read my ENTIRE post where I said that.
I dont hate Rasho. In fact I love it when he plays well! I want him to dominate every game. I dont hate anyone on the Spurs.Look into your own hate first
Weak take Pero.
More than a half of the argument FOR Rasho is for making screens, making space for TP and being dependable for the team. Backcourt was lousy and a bunch of points were scored in the paint only by Nazr. You are telling me he was not responsible? He was dominant and team suffered because of it. I would say that's not good. Certainly is worse than being called soft, but winning. I bet they all last playoff couse they were so hungry for championship, that BIG 3 just played with that klutz. Backcourt was dominant with TP and Manu on top of their game and a weak TD inside.
Are you seriously blaming Nazr for the loss against Denver??? Thats Bull. He was the only one who showed up. It was NOT his fault. So chill with the blind Nazr hate.
Spurs lost against Denver with a dominant Nazr and a weak TD for more than a half of the minutes, and Parker is consistent this year. I am certain this loss is not a happens story.
So Rasho makes a few good screens a night and is otherwise a ghost. Great. Meanwhile the Spurs are routinely losing the battle on the glass because the great Rasho cannot play like a NBA bigman.
The 'Rasho knows his spot on the floor' argument is weak. He is either afraid or unable to understand what is required of a NBA center.
Yes, the Spurs won a NBA championship with Mohammed starting at center and Rasho sitting down watching. No surprise.
yes, rasho started nearly that entire season and the team was playing their best basketball before he got hurt. by the time his ankle had healed sufficiently, there was not enough time to integrate him back into the rotation. rasho did not match up well against some of our opponents in last year's playoffs, and as a result did not get much playing time. the most remarkable thing about peter's takes is his lack of insight, and the inherent weakness of his arguments. nazr cannot master simple fundamantals of the spurs defensive system, offensively and defensively. he was acquired for the friendliness of his contract (it expires after this season), and his promise (which he has not lived up to). he just cannot believe that rasho won the starting position from nazr fair and square and there has been scant reason for nazr to get anything but garbage time minutes.
Everyone needs to face facts. The center position is by far the Spurs weakest. They are both (Nazr and Rasho) pretty sad.
they are, but at least rasho knows what is going on. that was my point.
What?!?!?!
They did not suffer cuz Nazr was dominant. They suffered cuz Duncan turned the ball over everytime he touched it.
So, I want you to go on record and answer this question. Did SA lose to Denver because of Nazr?
What?!?!?!
They did not suffer cuz Nazr was dominant. They suffered cuz Duncan turned the ball over everytime he touched it.
So, I want you to go on record and answer this question. Did SA lose to Denver because of Nazr?
Look at another example: KG.
When you have dominance, IT HAS TO BE in accord with the team. One star shining doesn't mean team victory. If Nazr persist to be a defensive leak in a waterthight system, his dominance just pours.
Man, how many times did you heard on this forum, that Bowen sucks, but he has a good frontcourt to rely on?
How many times did you heard that Bowen is great, and couse TD is great also, they are teamworkers at their best?
Did you actually heard TP say that Rasho is the main reason for him scoring in the paint?
Now look at stats +/- for Nazr game against Denver.
Do you wants anything else from me?
You didnt answer my question. I will ask it another way. Why did SA lose to Denver? Was it because of Nazr?
Sorry, but all this anti-Rasho posts are messing with my head.I dont hate Rasho. In fact I love it when he plays well! I want him to dominate every game. I dont hate anyone on the Spurs.
This is getting boring...So Rasho makes a few good screens a night and is otherwise a ghost. Great. Meanwhile the Spurs are routinely losing the battle on the glass because the great Rasho cannot play like a NBA bigman.
The 'Rasho knows his spot on the floor' argument is weak. He is either afraid or unable to understand what is required of a NBA center.
Yes, the Spurs won a NBA championship with Mohammed starting at center and Rasho sitting down watching. No surprise.
Good post Leemajors, but what promise are you talking about?
promise, potential. outdated meaning of promise i guess
YES, DA, SI, JA, OUI.
We need to bench ing lame ass Duncan and let him recuperate, and play Nazr and Rasho together. We'll lose games, but wouldn't this give Nazr a lot of time to get his slow-basketball-mind up to speed with the spurs defensive sets?
Like manny and countless others have said....how ing hard can it be to learn help defense? If Nazr weren't so dumb, he'd be a very very solid Spurs Center.
Thats just stupid. They did NOT lose because of Nazr. If Nazr didnt play at all and Rasho played the entire game, they would still have lost. Duncan played like crap, and turned the ball over nearly everytime he touched it down the stretch. If he plays well and doesnt turn the ball over, SA wins. Plain and simple.
Nazr was the ONLY one that showed up. If Tim or Tony show up, they win.
Your blind Nazr hate is making you sound stupid.
Hey, we all have flaws.
Thats just stupid. They did NOT lose because of Nazr. If Nazr didnt play at all and Rasho played the entire game, they would still have lost. Duncan played like crap, and turned the ball over nearly everytime he touched it down the stretch. If he plays well and doesnt turn the ball over, SA wins. Plain and simple.
Nazr was the ONLY one that showed up. If Tim or Tony show up, they win.
Your blind Nazr hate is making you sound stupid.
Nazr has a flaw that costs games. He is no star, and his dominance should not trash other players quality. I did not even want to be that conclusive, but the guy just did not want to go off my back.
So I am declaring: A player with great stats CAN HURT A TEAM THAT IS NOT READY FOR SUCH A PLAYER. If you have a minor role, you just cannot steal a spotlight while killing your franchise-player's game. Nazr was great and others sucked for it the whole time. he was on the floor.
In fact only one who sucked less on that team was Finley. Even Rasho was at his worst while playing alongside with Nazr. What is here to laugh about?
Does that mean that TP and TD were great? NO. But they wouldn't lose this time, if everyone else had a reliable game. Nazr and his hands were reliable, but his defence (while playing over 30min and having a weak backcourt while Manu is injured and all) was weak. So they scored at will and Spurs struggled.
TD made the bulk of TO with along playing Nazr, Bowen had low stats playing Nazr.
I am sick of this debate for a while. Spurs will have to adjust to Nazr more than anyone else, while Rasho should get better on O Rebounds.
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ducks??
Nazr did a good job of scoring and rebonding against Denver.
Duncan did not play badly because of Nazr. Duncan just had a bad game. He would have played poorly and turned it over with Nazr, Rasho, Oberto, Horry, or Marks along side him.
Duncan has had the majority of his career worst turnover games with Tony in there with him, we should bench Tony
Sound stupid? So does this whole Duncan sucked because of Nazr thing. Duncan always has high turnover games when teams aggressively and physically double team him. Maybe by the time he retires he'll figure out that he needs to make his decision quickly instead of sitting around waiting for the double like he does on nights like Saturday when he's a turnover machine.
But to blame it on Nazr is just idiotic, well asinine really.
Dre_7
I'm not blaming the loss on Nazr because that would be just as ridiculous as Rasho being blamed for the loss against Detroit. I gave Nazr his props in the game blog thread but if you look at the game you will realize that when he is in the game the plays take a longer time to set - that gives the oposing defense more time to either double on whoever has the ball (tipically Tim or Tony) or to collapse the lane which in both cases leads to more turn overs.
I liked his hustle under the Ofensive basket but I'm not sure if his points offset the problems he is creating when on the floor (both sides of the court). He really needs to get into the Spurs system.
Edit for AHF: Blaming TD's TOs on Nazr might be stupid, but he is a contributing factor.
If this was Euroleague ball might the argument that Nesterovic knows his spots on the floor be compelling. But it's not. This is the NBA, the most physical league ever devised by Montgomery Burns. With Horry getting big minutes in your rotation your other bigs should be guys who are capable of playing the physical game.
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