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    Folsom was at the low level of about 169,000 acre feet when that picture was taken. Today, it is back to 292,200 acre feet.

    http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cdecapp/res...tion?resid=FOL

    A reservoir is meant to be used. If the water level never goes up and down, then why make one?

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    I drove to Laredo for a Spurs preseason game, very flat, ugly ing country from SA to MX.
    That's where the Eagle Ford shale is.


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    I look forward to TX gas prices dropping to $2.50 or less after all this Drill Here, Drill Now fracking up the country.

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    I look forward to TX gas prices dropping to $2.50 or less after all this Drill Here, Drill Now fracking up the country.
    I doubt that will happen. The current price is historically fair. More oil means keeping gas prices fair. If too much oil is taken, prices will drop below profit levels. I think the time of $2.xx gasoline is history.

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    fair?

    from the US domestic gasoline oligopoly?

    why the would an oligopoly sell at "fair" prices that just happen to make them the most profitable oligolopy on the planet by $100Bs

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    2 small storms coming for so cal

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    I look forward to TX gas prices dropping to $2.50 or less after all this Drill Here, Drill Now fracking up the country.
    At least it won't be $6 a gallon. It's a world market and China is continuing to increase it's demand. The increased production will at least keep prices somewhat in line.

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    At least it won't be $6 a gallon. It's a world market and China is continuing to increase it's demand. The increased production will at least keep prices somewhat in line.
    Good luck getting any lib to believe the simple truth of supply and demand.

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    At least it won't be $6 a gallon. It's a world market and China is continuing to increase it's demand. The increased production will at least keep prices somewhat in line.
    only if the US govt continues to REGULATE/BLOCK export of US domestic oil.

    If the Repugs get control of federal govt, they will certainly unblock export of US domestic oil and NG so the US consumers will compete for oil and gas in the world market at world prices, not local prices.

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    only if the US govt continues to REGULATE/BLOCK export of US domestic oil.

    If the Repugs get control of federal govt, they will certainly unblock export of US domestic oil and NG so the US consumers will compete for oil and gas in the world market at world prices, not local prices.
    That has little to do with the prices, as oil is a global commodity.

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    only if the US govt continues to REGULATE/BLOCK export of US domestic oil.

    If the Repugs get control of federal govt, they will certainly unblock export of US domestic oil and NG so the US consumers will compete for oil and gas in the world market at world prices, not local prices.
    Wow. You have about zero understanding of the oil and gas markets. Today's word is "Fungible".

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    That has little to do with the prices, as oil is a global commodity.
    NatGas is cheap in USA because it's about 1/4 to 1/3 the price of the international price, for now. Once NatGas export gets going, the exporters will prefer to sell to the higher priced world market and/or increase the US domestic price to match world price.

    although export of US crude has been forbidden since 1973, US has been dependent on oil imports at world price.

    now that the domestic oil is ramping up, we "should" see a drop in US fuel prices, but obviously we won't. BigOil oligopoly will screw us, because they can, unstoppably.

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    NatGas is cheap in USA because it's about 1/4 to 1/3 the price of the international price, for now. Once NatGas export gets going, the exporters will prefer to sell to the higher priced world market and/or increase the US domestic price to match world price.

    although export of US crude has been forbidden since 1973, US has been dependent on oil imports at world price.

    now that the domestic oil is ramping up, we "should" see a drop in US fuel prices, but obviously we won't. BigOil oligopoly will screw us, because they can, unstoppably.
    The cost of world gas is principally transportation cost. Ever seen a LNG tanker? Those are serious expensive mofos.

    As for the US exporting crude, that would just be plain dumb to give up the added value of the hundreds of different distillates produced by refining the crude here and then exporting the specific distillates to specific markets.

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    The cost of world gas is principally transportation cost.
    Tell Europe about the cost of them buying, PIPED Russian natgas (not natgas liquidified).

    Yes, LNG carriers are expensive beasts. are you saying LNG carriers are the dominant component of the world price of natgas?

    US cannot export crude. that's why, eg Kock Bros, want tar XL'ed to their tar refineries on the Gulf Coast, so they can export higher margin refined products.

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    Tell Europe about the cost of them buying, PIPED Russian natgas (not natgas liquidified).

    Yes, LNG carriers are expensive beasts. are you saying LNG carriers are the dominant component of the world price of natgas?

    US cannot export crude. that's why, eg Kock Bros, want tar XL'ed to their tar refineries on the Gulf Coast, so they can export higher margin refined products.
    Europe has no natural gas. In a world market they have a choice. Buy LNG or buy Russian gas. Russia knows that. Russia prices their piped NG as high as they can and still beat the price of LNG.

    Are you really that stupid?

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    Europe has no natural gas. In a world market they have a choice. Buy LNG or buy Russian gas. Russia knows that. Russia prices their piped NG as high as they can and still beat the price of LNG.

    Are you really that stupid?
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    Europe has no natural gas. In a world market they have a choice. Buy LNG or buy Russian gas. Russia knows that. Russia prices their piped NG as high as they can and still beat the price of LNG.

    Are you really that stupid?
    Europeans buy both LNG and Russian piped gas. They wouldn't buy Russian natgas if they could avoid it. That's one reason they are working hard to get new gas pipelines from the M/E to Europe.

    There was already one case where Russia was threatening to stop piping gas to Europe because one country crossed by their pipelines got way behind on gas payments.

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    What does this have to do with the drought?

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    Science papers don't generate much in the way of headlines, so you'll be forgiven if you haven't heard of one called "Groundwater Depletion During Drought Threatens Future Water Security of the Colorado River Basin," recently published by University of California-Irvine and NASA researchers.


    But the "water security of the Colorado River basin" is an important concept, if you are one of the 40 million people who rely on the Colorado River for drinking water, a group that includes residents of Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Tucson, and San Diego. Or if you enjoy eating vegetables like broccoli, cauliflower, and spinach during the winter. Through the many diversions, dams, canals, and reservoirs the river feeds as it snakes its way from the Rockies toward Mexico, the Colorado also provides the irrigation that makes the desert bloom in California's Imperial Valley and Arizona's Yuma County—source of more than two-thirds of US winter vegetable production.
    http://www.motherjones.com/tom-philp...rse-we-thought

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    The U.S. could supply all of California with water if we fixed our leaky pipes

    Much of the piping that carries drinking water in the country dates to the first half of the 20th century, with some installed before Theodore Roosevelt was in the White House.

    Age inevitably takes a toll. There are 240,000 breaks a year, according to the National Association of Water Companies, a problem compounded by stress from an increasing population and budget crunches that slow the pace of replacement.

    Which is why the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) gave U.S. water infrastructure a D grade last year, and the EPA says we need a $384 billion upgrade.

    Or, you know, as ASCE said in their report, we could do nothing and live with water shortages and higher rates.


    http://grist.org/news/the-country-co..._campaign=feed



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    The U.S. could supply all of California with water if we fixed our leaky pipes

    Much of the piping that carries drinking water in the country dates to the first half of the 20th century, with some installed before Theodore Roosevelt was in the White House.

    Age inevitably takes a toll. There are 240,000 breaks a year, according to the National Association of Water Companies, a problem compounded by stress from an increasing population and budget crunches that slow the pace of replacement.

    Which is why the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) gave U.S. water infrastructure a D grade last year, and the EPA says we need a $384 billion upgrade.

    Or, you know, as ASCE said in their report, we could do nothing and live with water shortages and higher rates.


    http://grist.org/news/the-country-co..._campaign=feed


    Then we would have less ground water for wells.

    Folsom is back to average values at over 400,000 acre-feet.
    Last edited by Wild Cobra; 08-04-2014 at 09:54 PM.

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    Then we would have less ground water for wells.

    Folsom is back to average values at over 400,000 acre-feet.
    so the drought's over! great!

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    so the drought's over! great!
    If you believe in using one data point, then... OK...

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    The U.S. could supply all of California with water if we fixed our leaky pipes
    Much of the piping that carries drinking water in the country dates to the first half of the 20th century, with some installed before Theodore Roosevelt was in the White House.

    Age inevitably takes a toll. There are 240,000 breaks a year, according to the National Association of Water Companies, a problem compounded by stress from an increasing population and budget crunches that slow the pace of replacement.

    Which is why the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) gave U.S. water infrastructure a D grade last year, and the EPA says we need a $384 billion upgrade.

    Or, you know, as ASCE said in their report, we could do nothing and live with water shortages and higher rates.


    http://grist.org/news/the-country-co..._campaign=feed


    One of the stupidest ways to make a point. I agree our infrastructure needs work, but saving water in most of the country doesn't really matter as the water shortages are in very specific areas. The main problem with the Colorado river basin is that there are too many people using water for agriculture in places you shouldn't be growing . Overpopulation in some of those areas is an issue as well. Fixing infrastructure in our country isn't going to put a dent in either of those.

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    maybe u clowns or the state of cali should come down here to my state and purchase this 3 year old decommission desalination plant taxpayers paid $3billion and over budget, guess who we got to build it? yeh thats right the french wankers...

    anyway that was built when my state had no rain, then all these climate change wankers come out of their rocks spruiking about elnino weather patterns and ...what a waste of money

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