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Which is perfectly reflected by Klay's/Lee's lower percentages in losses
Make up your mind. Blaming Curry's offense for their wins/losses then saying his teammates performance weighs more heavily is playing both sides. I was just refuting your comment which I quoted above. You said that due to curry's chucking ways they can't win if he has an off night, yet you just said their winning/losing hinges on the cast
Which is perfectly reflected by Klay's/Lee's lower percentages in losses
No it's not. When Curry is taking a lot of shots, his team suffers thus the losses. When he's more of a distributor his team does better, thus the wins. The fact that his teammates' scoring averages are directly proportional to the wins while Curry's is inversely proportional is evidence of that, strong evidence in fact. Some of that could be lack of production despite the same amount of distribution, however that's not what the stats show.
What I said is true. When Curry takes a high volume of shots and has an off night, his team will most likely lose, however it has more to do with the fact that others aren't involved on the offensive end than with the fact that he's missing shots.I was just refuting your comment which I quoted above. You said that due to curry's chucking ways they can't win if he has an off night, yet you just said their winning/losing hinges on the cast
That doesn't explain Curry's higher PPG average in losses than in wins. Are you suggesting he stops passing if his teammates miss a few times?
It could also be that teams allow Curry to shoot and play better inside defense in those games, but the stats don't indicate that. Show stats that do and I'll reconsider.
Tony Parker
Chris Paul
Kyrie Irving
All have a lower PPG average in losses than in wins.
Steph, Kobe and Lillard all have higher PPG averages in losses than in wins.
Lilard is on a jump shooting team. His shooting averages are higher during losses than during wins, which means he's being the primary scorer on the team during those times. Kobe is just a chucker, oddly you probably have no qualms with consider that in games where Kobe scores 40pts they most often lose.
His assist numbers (the primary measure of a point guards distribution) are off by less than 1 in their win/loss splits. Maybe if Lee/Thompson weren't shooting significantly worse in those games, the assist numbers would even out if not even surpass the numbers we observe in wins
Explain the higher PPG
Also, assist numbers are overrated. Teams that have good ball movement and who look for the open shooter often share points and assists because the open shooter isn't always one pass away from the PG. If the ball is sticking with Curry and he's only dumping off when he's out of scoring options, that explains the points discrepancy and his assists. Some assists are always going to come on backdoor cuts at the beginning of the shot clock so no extra passes are necessary, and the odds are always that the PG will have the ball then, however that's not what's happening in GS.
I've shown you tons of evidence about the existence of the "force" which is generated by rotation (the change of acceleration as a vector) and moves things in the vertical direction, but you never give a . People like you are too stubborn and arrogant to listen carefully to what other people say, DMC, I know a lot of such people at school and you ain't no different.
I am a pirate among men but a prince among pirates.
kinda agree, those true "pirates" would spend all their time in labs, flying between continents attending conferences one after another. I'm sure as that none of them would bother to spend that much time posting on a message board quarreling with uneducated dumb s imho.
you're a joke. you conveniently and specifically highlighted Curry's assist numbers in the W/L splits but now post a soliloquy about how assist numbers aren't accurate...
you imply that i am advocating Curry should shoot more or score 40 points per game. i think the balance he has right now is fine. he's the most dangerous scorer on his team, but he has shown no reservations when it comes to setting up teammates or distributing the ball.
when it comes to win/losses, the splits clearly demonstrate that Klay and Lee both struggle mightily during their losses despite getting roughly as many shots as they do in their wins. perhaps if those guys weren't efficient, there would be less of an onus on Curry to take it upon himself to score so much in those losses. you might be confusing the cause for effect.
suggesting that the warriors lose because curry is shooting more is removing the possibility that Curry is shouldering the scoring load more in losses because the two secondary scorers struggle in those games
Interesting... curry's assist numbers look better on a night where Klay is hitting spot up shots
if klay was 6-18 and curry had 4 less assists you'd be ting on him
Golden State Warriors STARTERS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS David Lee, PF 24 4-6 0-0 2-2 4 2 6 0 2 1 2 2 +23 10 Andre Iguodala, SF 26 2-8 0-2 3-5 0 5 5 3 3 0 0 1 +16 7 Andrew Bogut, C 12 3-3 0-0 0-1 1 6 7 1 0 0 1 5 +6 6 Stephen Curry, PG 30 9-19 5-11 4-4 2 9 11 11 0 1 4 2 +19 27 Klay Thompson, SG 29 9-17 5-10 2-3 0 3 3 1 1 0 0 1 +15 25 BENCH MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OREB DREB REB AST STL BLK TO PF +/- PTS Marreese Speights, PF 8 3-6 0-0 4-5 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 1 -1 10 Harrison Barnes, SF 25 3-7 1-3 2-2 0 4 4 2 0 0 2 2 0 9 Draymond Green, SF 21 2-6 1-1 0-0 1 1 2 1 2 1 0 1 +10 5 Jermaine O'Neal, C 20 6-8 0-0 3-5 2 4 6 0 0 1 2 4 +8 15 Steve Blake, PG 17 2-5 2-4 0-0 1 2 3 4 1 0 0 1 +4 6 Jordan Crawford, SG 16 0-4 0-3 1-1 0 1 1 2 1 0 4 1 +4 1
still 3 mins left to play
Its vs the knicks , who gives a ?
It's not the point. We all know he's productive and can score. The topic of this thread is whether he is a chucker to the detriment of his team (as DMC argues) or not. Regardless of opponent, we are tracking for habits/tendencies
He is a chucker to the detriment of his team, but that's not all on Curry. It's on Mark and how the offense is run. Curry does have options however, he's just not good enough at the PG position to utilize them as well as he could. He either shoots or passes to a guy who most often shoots. His passes are almost never to set up a play or to move the defense.
I've laid all that out here quite clearly already, no need to go back over it. Philo up there hasn't offered any defense except to deny. If he's studying to be legal counsel, he needs to focus more on semantics and critical thinking instead of the lazy approach he's used so far.
You'd be destroyed in court. Curry's assist numbers are still assists, they just don't mean he's moving the ball around. They mean he's out of options and dumping it off. If he's scoring more and assisting less, he's not even doing that. Come on counsel, get your together.
You never did address the PPG discrepancy. That's a huge piece of evidence you cannot casually dismiss.
Oh he's the most dangerous scorer... since when he scores more points, they lose, and when he scores fewer points, they win. That seems to be a detriment to his own team more than to the opposition.
What you are suggesting, again, is that the PG loses faith in his teammates and starts to what? Chuck? Why isn't this true for Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Kyrie Irving?
when it comes to win/losses, the splits clearly demonstrate that Klay and Lee both struggle mightily during their losses despite getting roughly as many shots as they do in their wins. perhaps if those guys weren't efficient, there would be less of an onus on Curry to take it upon himself to score so much in those losses. you might be confusing the cause for effect.
Again... Why does the team lose when Curry scores more points? What are the odds everyone else on the team is struggling, but not Curry? Why don't the best shooters on every team have the same statistical results in PPG vs W/L?Suggesting that the warriors lose because curry is shooting more is removing the possibility that Curry is shouldering the scoring load more in losses because the two secondary scorers struggle in those games
Unless there's a true gem here like yourself who makes it worth their while.
You act like I'm not making points yet that's what each of my posts have done. I care much less about semantics on an Internet forum than I would in a professional environment.
You brush off the assist totals as irrelevant when convenient but tried to get clever by highlighting his marginal assist decrease when pulling up his W/L splits. If you thought they were irrelevant, you wouldn't have specifically highlighted those figures. Now you are backtracking with your assists don't matter shenanigans.
I also have addressed the discrepancy in more than one post. Since you seem simple, I can reiterate yet again. His teammates, particularly David Lee and Klay Thompson (those 3 are the main sources of GS offense) have had significant struggles in their losses, evidenced my the very large decrease in FG% in their splits. When teammates can't hit shots, the onus is on Curry to make sure they get points however they can, so he presses. His shooting% isn't even a full % lower in any case.
I also brought up the point that you are confusing the cause and effect in the scoring figures. They aren't necessarily losing because he is scoring more, but rather he is pressured to score points when they are losing and his main partners in crime are struggling to score. Alternately, like we have seen with the spurs, many times in blowout wins we have a collection of guys chipping in 10-15 points rather than having one or two dominant scorers. Do we win because nobody is particular is putting up big figures, or rather, are the minutes/shots getting distributed due to the comfortable lead that is held throughout the game?
these are points I had made before that you seem to ignore just so you can bull me with your "you haven't made an argument" shtick. you would get shredded in court since there is a stenographer typing up every word spoken in the courtroom. You are like an attorney that snoozed during the trial and tells the jury "the other guy didn't prove anything!"
start at 2:24 after all the intro mumbo jumbo, and take a good look at all those assists, er, i mean those times he was out of options and dumped it off
also, sook i'm still waiting for that list of players that can be legit #1's on contending teams in today's NBA
Looks like legit playmaking to me tbhstart at 2:24 after all the intro mumbo jumbo, and take a good look at all those assists, er, i mean those times he was out of options and dumped it off
Sure, take one game and pretend that's the norm. No one ever thought of that.
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