Bundy ranch situation in Nevada

[ElNono]

Obvious from the post that we have many experts here on the breeding and selection of blacks as slaves. Of course all of the are from the left. Ought to tell people something.

Not a word about the conditions that have been created by these same leftest that have destroyed the families of black people and created a group of young blacks that think nothing of selling drugs or shooting up the neighborhood, while the leftest who run these cities do little or nothing to make the neighborhoods safe or try to persuade the young people to stay in school and further their education. What a waste of humanity.

So far all I have read is what Bundy has said was taken out of context. I have no idea how the subject was ever brought up, do any of you know? And spare me the sarcastic remarks I am asking a legitimate question.

So what's the solution ray? Whip family values, hard work, religious morals into them?

White people have astronomical divorce rates these days. Do we enslave them too to teach 'em the good ole white boy culture?

This isn't a "left" or "right" problem, IMO, it's a cultural problem. Going back in time isn't a solution.

[ElNono]

it only makes sense. slavery = family stability > freedom. it's basic math.

[ElNono]

Old people say stupid all the time.

I would agree with this. I would actually posit that the more disconnected with reality they are, the more stupid they say.

[ChumpDumper]

Old people say racist all the time.

I can't believe you are defending this guy.

lol

[xrayzebra]

War on drugs is a leftist policy?

What in the world does the war on drugs have to do with any of it?

ElNoNo: So what's the solution ray? Whip family values, hard work, religious morals into them?

White people have astronomical divorce rates these days. Do we enslave them too to teach 'em the good ole white boy culture?

This isn't a "left" or "right" problem, IMO, it's a cultural problem. Going back in time isn't a solution.

No I am not saying anything of the kind. White boy culture, explain to me what the "white boy culture" is. And no going back in time to the days of slavery is not the answer. But going to the family unit is part of the answer. Abortions have played a big part of problems with all cultures, but more so with minorities, it they can be called that any more.

I no more have the answer than you do or anyone. We all know what makes a family a family. And it damn well isn't drugs or booze. The booze part I have had plenty of experience with in my past. I learned better. Mothers who have multiple children with multiple men is certainly not the answer. Welfare is not the answer.

I think Bundy was just trying to draw a parallel, not a very good one, but nevertheless was trying. And you have a left wing rag, NYT, that wanted to show him in the worst light. I still don't know what brought on his statements and no one has tried to enlighten me and until I know I really cant say what he meant or did mean.

[ElNono]

No I am not saying anything of the kind. White boy culture, explain to me what the "white boy culture" is. And no going back in time to the days of slavery is not the answer. But going to the family unit is part of the answer. Abortions have played a big part of problems with all cultures, but more so with minorities, it they can be called that any more.

I no more have the answer than you do or anyone. We all know what makes a family a family. And it damn well isn't drugs or booze. The booze part I have had plenty of experience with in my past. I learned better. Mothers who have multiple children with multiple men is certainly not the answer. Welfare is not the answer.

I'm glad family worked for you. I can say it worked for me too. But I also know enough people that have tried and hasn't worked out for them. The same can be said about a lot of different moral guides (ie:religion)

There's no bulletproof solution or answer. People, especially of different cultures, feel a different way about different things.

If you personally think you know better, then the road to take is education. You can't force their hand. They have to learn what works and why. And then some people still will take a different path.

Even if we were to say abortion is a big part of the problem, prohibition isn't the solution. Prohibition is forcing your moral hand over somebody else. Educating that people so they don't seek/want an abortion is the solution.

I would agree that welfare isn't always a solution, and that sometimes you have people gaming the system, and that's wrong. But the failure there it's on oversight, not on welfare. Some people legitimately need the help.

I think Bundy was just trying to draw a parallel, not a very good one, but nevertheless was trying. And you have a left wing rag, NYT, that wanted to show him in the worst light. I still don't know what brought on his statements and no one has tried to enlighten me and until I know I really cant say what he meant or did mean.

It's not the first, and unfortunately, it won't be the last time that people say something stupid and it's brought out to light. He's also far from the first person that speaks or thinks the same way.
Now, he can say whatever he wants, it's his right. But we no longer live at a time where that's the popular opinion, so the backlash is inevitable.

[Rick Santorum]

wow, this thread took a hilarious turn

[Rick Santorum]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”




If you replace the word negro with black guy, and replace the word cotton with work, it doesn't sound that racist. He's an old time rancher, I don't expect him to be eloquent, although he should have chosen his words better to get his point across, which is blacks are now just enslaved by the government.

right, because "cotton" and "work" totally mean the same thing.

This new right wing fear mongering tactic where they try to claim big government = slavery is such a blatant contradiction of history it's awe inspiring. Slavery in this country was never and has never been anything more than a 100% private enterprise done for the profit of plantation owners. It was around for so long due to small government and was ended by big government (that whole union army thing).

[pgardn]

No. I think he's ignorant.

I think he doesn't understand how bad some slaves had it. He does correctly point out that life off the government dole isn't a life worth having. He seems to understand in generalities however that as slaves, the blacks had a better family unit than today
.

Was this before or after fathers, mothers and children were sold off to different slave owners?

And Clive is the ignorant one...
Jesus...

[TheSanityAnnex]

Back to the topic. Deleted BLM page. For those who claimed his land was never in question.


http://archive.today/nvlzr#selection-213.0-213.313

[Clipper Nation]

I'm sorry, was that comic supposed to be funny?

[monosylab1k]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”




If you replace the word negro with black guy, and replace the word cotton with work, it doesn't sound that racist. He's an old time rancher, I don't expect him to be eloquent, although he should have chosen his words better to get his point across, which is blacks are now just enslaved by the government.

"take out the most racist parts and it's not that racist!"

[TheSanityAnnex]

"take out the most racist parts and it's not that racist!"

It's not very hard to see the parallels he was attempting to make with slavery and welfare. Figured a smart (no racist) like yourself could have figured that one out.

[Wild Cobra]

Show me the part where Bill Cosby thinks black people are better off as slaves.

I never said that. I never implied that. I said Bundy is ignorant.

[ElNono]

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro ... because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

If you replace the word negro with black guy, and replace the word cotton with work, it doesn't sound that racist. He's an old time rancher, I don't expect him to be eloquent, although he should have chosen his words better to get his point across, which is blacks are now just enslaved by the government.

What do we replace "better off as slaves" with?

[TheSanityAnnex]

What do we replace "better off as slaves" with?

You can't. I didn't try.

[ChumpDumper]

Bundy should just allow himself to be enslaved. All his problems will disappear.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

It's not very hard to see the parallels he was attempting to make with slavery and welfare.

right wingers trying to paint what he said as some well thought out analysis of the black community.

[Th'Pusher]

It's astonishing that there are still people out there trying to lionize and make excuses for this moron.

[TeyshaBlue]

+10 for lionize!

[xrayzebra]

I love the way the news media is NOW covering Bundy. Before his little dissertation on race they couldn't be bothered. Now they cant report enough about him. And after reading the post on this thread I see why. Government sending armed, militarized, personnel into the dessert country to protect a turtle (or is it a Harry Reid solar powered project) wasn't news. But let him say something about blacks.......well you see the results. Here.

[boutons_deux]

"Before his little dissertation on race they couldn't be bothered."

???

XZ, WC reliable sources of unintentional comedy.

[monosylab1k]

I love the way the news media is NOW covering Bundy. Before his little dissertation on race they couldn't be bothered. Now they cant report enough about him. And after reading the post on this thread I see why. Government sending armed, militarized, personnel into the dessert country to protect a turtle (or is it a Harry Reid solar powered project) wasn't news. But let him say something about blacks.......well you see the results. Here.

"nobody cared about this guy until his militia had an armed standoff with the government and he went on a racist rant!"

[monosylab1k]

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/po...nt-do-his-job/

"Martin Luther King didn’t do his job"

this mother er is doubling down. Even if he is a crazy old racist, he's got some balls. I love the interview where he barely know who MLK is and clearly has no clue who Rosa Parks is.

[boutons_deux]

"he's got some balls."

nah, he's willfully misinformed himself, stupid, ignorant.