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    No kidding. I'll bet the other team owners would hesitate, wondering what impact private remarks they make would have if they got recorded and out?
    There is no other owner like Sterling in the league. Pretty extraordinary measures have been taken because Sterling has been a parasite on the league for something like 34 years.

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    There is no other owner like Sterling in the league. Pretty extraordinary measures have been taken because Sterling has been a parasite on the league for something like 34 years.
    There is still a binding contract. 3/4 of the owners must vote to oust him, else it will not happen.

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    There is still a binding contract. 3/4 of the owners must vote to oust him, else it will not happen.
    Thank you Capt Obvious

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    Sterling will sue the NBA and win. They can't legally do what they just did. It was all a smokescreen to patronize the players.
    Sterling has zero chance of winning in court....

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    Sterling has zero chance of winning in court....
    Read article 13 of the NBA cons ution FWDT posted in post #15. It lists the SPECIFIC things an owner can be removed for. Sterling didn't do any of those things.

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    Read article 13 of the NBA cons ution FWDT posted in post #15. It lists the SPECIFIC things an owner can be removed for. Sterling didn't do any of those things.
    The 2.5 million dollar fine is proof of that. CN thinks it will be a walk in the park but I'm not too sure.

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    I was a member here ten years ago when Sterling was involved in things much much more racist than telling his girlfriend not to be seen with black guys in public and I don't remember nearly the outrage on this board. I also lived in Los Angeles county ten years ago and don't remember nearly the same outrage from the media.

    Why the outrage now over some words and no outrage over his extremely racist actions years ago?

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    Floyd Mayweather...

    Family Violence Guy with a betting habit on NBA games as well as other sports.
    Floyd is getting a group together.

    And the guy takes pride in his ability to avoid brain numbing blows to the head...

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    I was a member here ten years ago when Sterling was involved in things much much more racist than telling his girlfriend not to be seen with black guys in public and I don't remember nearly the outrage on this board. I also lived in Los Angeles county ten years ago and don't remember nearly the same outrage from the media.

    Why the outrage now over some words and no outrage over his extremely racist actions years ago?
    Those actions that were settled out of court?

    Have a listen, this seals the deal if before was not enough:

    http://deadspin.com/exclusive-the-ex...ape-1568291249

    Calling each other Honey... The intellectual nature of the discussion is what astounds me.

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    Those actions that were settled out of court?

    Have a listen, this seals the deal if before was not enough:

    http://deadspin.com/exclusive-the-ex...ape-1568291249

    Calling each other Honey... The intellectual nature of the discussion is what astounds me.
    Yes. Where was the outrage from the media back then? I don't recall it ever being like this and it was far worse.

    And I don't need to listen to an extended tape, I've known he was a racist publicly for over a decade.

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    Thank you Capt Obvious
    I didn't even read the link in post 15 until a few minutes ago and knew that. I would say by the chatter here, it was not obvious to others.

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    Read article 13 of the NBA cons ution FWDT posted in post #15. It lists the SPECIFIC things an owner can be removed for. Sterling didn't do any of those things.
    I think the ownership probably believes that he "willfully violate[d] any of the provisions of the Cons ution and By-Laws, resolutions, or agreements of the Association," and that most likely the violation they believe to have willfully occurred is a violation of Article 35A(c), which prohibits giving, making, issuing, authorizing, or endorsement of "any statement having, or designed to have, an effect prejudicial or detrimental to the best interests of basketball or of the Association" or Article 35A(d), which gives the Commissioner power "to suspend for a definite or indefinite period, or to impose a fine not exceeding $1,000,000, or inflict both suspension and fine upon any person, who in his opinion, shall have been guilty of conduct prejudicial or detrimental to the Association." While each of those violations carries with it a specified penalty, nothing that I see in the By-Laws and Cons ution would prohibit the Commissioner from imposing those penalties and allowing the other owners to find a violation of Article 13 that justifies termination as well. Two different accusing and sentencing bodies in that instance.

    Sterling can certainly try to argue that being an idiot and a racist is somehow not detrimental or prejudicial to the NBA, I guess. As someone once noted: Stupid is as stupid does.

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    I think the ownership probably believes that he "willfully violate[d] any of the provisions of the Cons ution and By-Laws, resolutions, or agreements of the Association," and that most likely the violation they believe to have willfully occurred is a violation of Article 35A(c), which prohibits giving, making, issuing, authorizing, or endorsement of "any statement having, or designed to have, an effect prejudicial or detrimental to the best interests of basketball or of the Association" or Article 35A(d), which gives the Commissioner power "to suspend for a definite or indefinite period, or to impose a fine not exceeding $1,000,000, or inflict both suspension and fine upon any person, who in his opinion, shall have been guilty of conduct prejudicial or detrimental to the Association." While each of those violations carries with it a specified penalty, nothing that I see in the By-Laws and Cons ution would prohibit the Commissioner from imposing those penalties and allowing the other owners to find a violation of Article 13 that justifies termination as well. Two different accusing and sentencing bodies in that instance.

    Sterling can certainly try to argue that being an idiot and a racist is somehow not detrimental or prejudicial to the NBA, I guess. As someone once noted: Stupid is as stupid does.
    This is why I think Silver may have made a mistake in fining him 2.5 million. How I am reading it the 2.5 million fine means his actions were not covered by the cons ution or by-laws, thus the fine exceeding 1 million. All speculation on my part but I think he should have fined the 1 million as referenced above.

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    This is why I think Silver may have made a mistake in fining him 2.5 million. How I am reading it the 2.5 million fine means his actions were not covered by the cons ution or by-laws, thus the fine exceeding 1 million. All speculation on my part but I think he should have fined the 1 million as referenced above.
    I think the $2.5 million is probably the aggregate of the fines applicable to misconduct under various provisions of the do ent. My guess (equally speculative, I admit) is that they found violations of 3 different parts of the Cons ution and By-Laws, added the maximum fines for each of those violations, and then imposed that total fine against Sterling.

    If they force the sale, the $2.5 million fine will be a footnote.

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    There is still a binding contract. 3/4 of the owners must vote to oust him, else it will not happen.
    that vote better be by proxy with no names on it...

    thats the only way the racists owners can side with each other without being identified name and shame...

    then again sterling is a prick but he is en led to his pov

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    Yes. Where was the outrage from the media back then? I don't recall it ever being like this and it was far worse.

    And I don't need to listen to an extended tape, I've known he was a racist publicly for over a decade.
    You know from witnesses who settled out of court.

    When people hear a voice they know, the players, it has more impact than a witness account of what was said.
    But you don't get this.

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    Anyone see this yet:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/nba...ife-nba-n92671

    Time for me to boycott the NBA.

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    I think the $2.5 million is probably the aggregate of the fines applicable to misconduct under various provisions of the do ent. My guess (equally speculative, I admit) is that they found violations of 3 different parts of the Cons ution and By-Laws, added the maximum fines for each of those violations, and then imposed that total fine against Sterling.

    If they force the sale, the $2.5 million fine will be a footnote.

    It appears the 2.5 million came from article 24, not a combination of fines. And if so, it would also appear Silver is basically admitting Sterling's actions did not in fact violate the cons ution and by-laws. And if this is true than termination also does not fall under article 24, which Silver seems to have invoked.

    "(l) The Commissioner shall, wherever there is a rule for which no penalty is specifically fixed for violation thereof, have the authority to fix such penalty as in the Commissioner’s judgment shall be in the best interests of the Association. Where a situation arises which is not covered in the Cons ution and By-Laws, the Commissioner shall have the authority to make such decision, including the imposition of a penalty, as in his judgment shall be in the best interests of the Association. The penalty that may be assessed under the preceding two sentences may include, without limitation, a fine, suspension, and/or the forfeiture or assignment of draft choices. No monetary penalty fixed under this provision shall exceed $2,500,000."


    Very interested to see how this plays out, hope Silver didn't jump the gun.

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    Very interested to see how this plays out, hope Silver didn't jump the gun.
    Oh, he did, and should be fired.

    Anyone think he should have such power cir venting the agreed contract?

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    You know from witnesses who settled out of court.

    When people hear a voice they know, the players, it has more impact than a witness account of what was said.
    But you don't get this.
    Answer me this, were his actions more egregious ten years ago or today? I'll answer for you, they aren't even in the same ballpark.

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    It appears the 2.5 million came from article 24, not a combination of fines. And if so, it would also appear Silver is basically admitting Sterling's actions did not in fact violate the cons ution and by-laws. And if this is true than termination also does not fall under article 24, which Silver seems to have invoked.

    "(l) The Commissioner shall, wherever there is a rule for which no penalty is specifically fixed for violation thereof, have the authority to fix such penalty as in the Commissioner’s judgment shall be in the best interests of the Association. Where a situation arises which is not covered in the Cons ution and By-Laws, the Commissioner shall have the authority to make such decision, including the imposition of a penalty, as in his judgment shall be in the best interests of the Association. The penalty that may be assessed under the preceding two sentences may include, without limitation, a fine, suspension, and/or the forfeiture or assignment of draft choices. No monetary penalty fixed under this provision shall exceed $2,500,000."


    Very interested to see how this plays out, hope Silver didn't jump the gun.
    Good point. I hadn't read that part of the Cons ution.

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    Answer me this, were his actions more egregious ten years ago or today? I'll answer for you, they aren't even in the same ballpark.
    Its a matter of belief.

    In court you have witness testimony.

    In this case you have Sterling saying that's him. So you would believe your wife said something as told to you second hand rather than hearing your wife say this on tape and then telling you she said it? What is so difficult to understand here?

    The players in the NBA hear their leaders voice. I guarantee some already had inklings of this BEFORE. There is no explaining away your own voice saying words.
    , why even tape it. The girlfriend just should have gone to reporters and stated Sterling said this. Or just tell people Sterling said this in court.
    Right...
    Last edited by pgardn; 04-30-2014 at 12:18 PM.

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    You just gotta wonder who got her to do the deed. Sterling was paying this old gal lots of money to service him. Maybe part of the recording was cut out, the part where he told her to take a hike if she was going to flaunt her butt all over town with the boyz. He would have been better off with a 1500 buck hooker.

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    You just gotta wonder who got her to do the deed. Sterling was paying this old gal lots of money to service him. Maybe part of the recording was cut out, the part where he told her to take a hike if she was going to flaunt her butt all over town with the boyz. He would have been better off with a 1500 buck hooker.
    As nutty as he sounds he probably got all worked up some time again after she tried to placate him.
    He tells her flat out I can find another you.
    It's a heartwarming tale of a happy family life of deep thinkers.

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