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Look at the teams off eff with him on the court combined with his def eff while on the court and look at the overall statistical gap. I didn't check it this year, but in most prior years, he's been a net negative player IIRC..
He's so awful defensively that it cancels out any benefit he has on offense.... he is also a notorious rebound padder
The SSOL is irrelevant when the argument was about a.) the Warriors being a good defensive team and b.) who the Warriors' top 2 players are....
Look at the teams off eff with him on the court combined with his def eff while on the court and look at the overall statistical gap. I didn't check it this year, but in most prior years, he's been a net negative player IIRC..
Thinking Avi Lee is one of the Warriors' two best players
GSW has had one of the best two-year improvements in defensive rating in NBA history, they allowed 4.4 fewer points than the NBA average per 100 possessions (third-best in the league), they are one of the best teams at forcing opponents to shoot midrange shots and one of the best at denying them corner threes....
In our matchup, Klay was able to pressure CP3 effectively, denying him angles and space, and Green did a good job defending Blake until Game 7.... their smaller defenders' rotations were crisp and they were able to recover quickly.... they were able to force us into playing isoball for long stretches instead of moving the ball....
We still got ours, but that's simply because the Clippers' offense is the best in the NBA, they're not going to get totally shut down very often.... the difference between the Warriors' defense and other teams' was on display last night, though, as the Clippers moved the ball and torched MethKC from deep repeatedly in ways that they could not consistently do against the Warriors' defense....As you can see by following along in the reading and putting on your thinking cap, the argument was about the effectiveness of the SSOL in GS, not about whether or not David Lee was a good defender.He's so awful defensively that it cancels out any benefit he has on offense.... he is also a notorious rebound padder
The SSOL is irrelevant when the argument was about a.) the Warriors being a good defensive team and b.) who the Warriors' top 2 players are....
I gave you their points allowed in the playoffs. It doesn't matter what they are with this or that player that's not playing. They are who they are with who they have, just like everyone else including, for the longest time, Portland and, right now, Indiana with an injured Bynum and other teams with injured players who might have missed the playoffs because of it.
So, the SSOL would work well in GS because Thompson and Curry would have a field day, and Harrison Barnes and D-Green are athletic and can run the floor. Iggy can as well, but not Bogut. He would have to go. I think Lee could stay or they could package him with Bogie and and get an Ibaka type player (like they are everywhere). The main players in GS do not play defense worth a . That's fine, as long as they have some paint presence on defense and are lights out shooters. They should do well. Not a ring, but better than they are doing. That should carry a coach through his first stint.
When healthy, 3 of the 5 GS starters play fine defense (Klay, Iggy & Bogut).
I jumped in when you erroneously claimed the Warriors "don't play a lick of defense anyhow," so the preceding about D'Antoni doesn't really apply to my arguments, tbh....
The Warriors clearly do play defense, judging from their regular-season numbers as well as the majority of the playoff series, seeing as how they forced us into isoballing far more than we would have liked.... once again, the Clippers are the best offense in the league, so even with that, they weren't going to shut our offense down every single game.... that doesn't mean they "don't play a lick of defense," though....
Therein lies your problem.
I gotta admit, from an outsider's perspective, its funny to see two others Philo it up
Jackson should have taken after Scott brooks and got in good with management. Apparently as long as management likes you, and the players also like you, you're guaranteed job security. No matter how bad of a coach you are.
I don't Philo, I win
This thread shows why it's frustrating to argue with DMC, even when he is presented with facts he will not acknowledge them if they do not support his argument.
There's a difference between debate laced with competing evidences and just random nay saying with not even a sign of supportive substance. Basically all I get from your "philo" is "nuh uh". You don't offer a competing theory, you just nay say the one being presented and usually just because you feel compelled to respond. It's a beclouding which leads to dissipation of the mind.
Ok. What's my argument and which facts are you referring to?
Any dubs fans agree with that? I dont. Lee being out instead of bogut is what gave them success, most dubs fans i know either want to trade him or bring him off the bench, draymond green and speights outplayed him. He's empty numbers and a walking layup líne, him being out last year instead of bogut just reinforces it.
As for dantoni i dont disagree that if you're paying lee and curry style play he's a good fit, but I don't know any dubs fans who want Lee to be their 2nd option and I agree. They have the players to be a good team
You know your team is in trouble when your second best player is worse than Boris Diaw.
They aren't in trouble... they can even sleep late tomorrow.
I'd consider regressing (wins v losses) in the playoffs trouble.
shouldve been fired last season after the game his wife sang the national anthem? lmao
If Lee was the 2nd option, they'd have to have a paint presence greater than they have now. I don't see them ever developing a true inside out game as long as Curry is at the 1. He's too small to move to the 2, so he'd have to be with a team that runs where he can use his greatest strength.... shooting obviously.
Not for them.. but for Mark, sure. I think the team was actually better this season than last, but not good enough to make a difference.
If I agree with somebody's point I'll let them know, and if I disagree I'll let them know as well. If you choose to blatantly ignore evidence and arguments I present, thats your thick skull's problem, not mine. And if you choose to refute arguments with your baseless, bull claims like "most of Curry's assists come from when he is forced to get rid of the ball at the end of the shot clock, not because of playmaking" its impossible to reason with you.
Yeah but you're saying David Lee is their second best player. If that's the case then no matter who the coach is, they are in trouble.
Lionel Hollins would do wonders with Golden State.
Jackass, salty as
Jackson: Pressure Now On Warriors To Get A Championship
May 06, 2014 7:41 PM EDT
Mark Jackson spoke with Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News shortly after his firing as head coach of the Golden State Warriors on Tuesday.
"We accomplished a lot in three years and we should be proud," said Jackson "I wish them nothing but the best.
"But to me, now the pressure’s on for them to get a championship. It’s not the time for them to be patient any more. This is a championship-caliber team. We were in the playoffs without David last year, and we were without Bogut this year.
"When this team is healthy, it is a legit contender. That’s something that we’re all looking at going forward."
Via Tim Kawakami/San Jose Mercury News
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