If he looks like a bad rebounder live and he looks like a bad rebounder on paper, he's a bad rebounder.
I just hope either Nazr learns defense or Rasho learns to rebound. I really don't care which one it is.
Everything being equal though, the Spurs can survive a poor rotating center before they can survive a center who doesn't rebound.
all i was saying is that none of those players plays close to 48 mins save duncan & bowen. i'm not saying rasho is a rebounding terror, can you not read? or do you just like the number 8? i would be glad if last night was indicitave of future play for nazr but there is no reason to believe that. i am just fine with him playing like that vs good matchups for him, but we will need rasho against teams like miami. play whoever the matchups indicate should play.
Good point. Ability to stay out of foul trouble correlates to your minutes.
Personal Fouls Per 48 Minutes In January
Nazr Mohammed - 9.1
Fabricio Oberto - 8.5
Sean Marks - 7.5
Melvin Sanders - 7.2
Rasho Nesterovic - 6.6
Manu Ginobili - 5.2
Another stat :
Spurs Defensive rebounding % :
With Rasho on the court 73.7%
With Nazr on the cout 71.7%
Rasho is a poor rebounder but when he is on court Spurs are a better rebounding team.
Nazr grabs way more defensive rebounds, but it seems that it's mainly over his teammates not over the opponents.
So have we traded Rasho already or what
That difference is negligible. Rasho's individual stats show that he's not carrying the load. Most likely the players Rasho is on the floor most often with (the other starting 4) are carrying his arse.
In addition, if that % is of total team rebounding, then it shows weaker offensive rebounding with Rasho on the court.
What is the stat a percentage of? I was wondering if the team didn't do better when Rasho was in due to his blocking out and better positioning, but I'm not sure that this is the stat that determines that.
Yeah, Rasho plays most of his minutes with the starters. That's why you can't really look at team stats to evaluate his play. Like when someone said earlier in this thread that Rasho had an awesome +/- in the Blazers game ... yeah, that's because he played all his minutes with the starters in.
No.
It means that when Rasho is on the court, the opposite team take 10% less of defensive board.
I'd like to see the stat for the % of time that Duncan is on the court with Rasho v. Nazr. That might change your stat's significance somewhat.
I still go back to this:
8
Rasho's high rebounding game this SEASON!
Think about that. Ponder it for a moment or two. He's a starting center if I remember! He's 7 feet tall if I'm not mistaken!
You can't slice that up to mean anything but he stinks. What's he doing. . .boxing out so others can get a rebound?
Then Rasho's on the court with a better rebounding (TP, MG, BB, & TD) unit.
You keep throwing 8 around. He's never averaged 8 rebounds for a season. His rebounding is down this season but he was never Dennis Rodman.
He's not Reggie freaking Evans with his average.
I agree for +/- stats but not for defensive boards.
You grab less rebounds when you play with Duncan at PF than when you play with Horry or oberto at PF.
I don't say Rasho is a better rebounder than Nazr but only that he is better that what individual stats shows.
You're right. 8 is his HIGH!
He has not reached 10 boards in a game this year!
Do you know how monumental a feat that would be if he could go all season without reaching double-digits?
It's amazing!
True, but he averaged 7.7 his first season with the Spurs and he averages 4 now.
Individual stats show individual performance. Team stats show what the entire team is doing. It doesn't mean jack when it comes to assessing an individual player's performance, so we're back to where we started...individual stats.
As I said, his rebounds are down. He averages 5.1 now, but I know what you are saying. He needs to be more aggressive. I'm sure someone has told him that, which is why it's so maddening that he doesn't do it. It's like people being surprised that he doesn't dunk when he went through drills a couple of years ago where he was just given the ball and told to dunk it over and over again. He's like David Robinson without the talent.
No, he averages 4.1 right now.He averages 5.1 now,
DRob looks like Ben Wallace compared to that stiff.
Damn, why the excuses for such a poor performer?
Nope.
When Rasho plays next to Duncan, he averages 8.1 rebounds per 40 minutes. When he plays next to Oberto and Horry, he averages 5.4 rebounds per 40 minutes.
Mohammed, on the other hand, picks up the rebounding slack when needed. Next to Duncan, he averages 9.5 rebounds per 40 minutes. Next to Horry, that number rises to 13.3 and to 11.5 next to Oberto.
So basically, Rasho can't rebound no matter who he plays with and Nazr picks up the slack if he's not on the court with Duncan.
Okay. According to NBA.com, he's averaging 5.1. Where should I go for stats?
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/radosl....html?nav=page
You are looking at his points. I thought this discussion was about rebounding.
David grabbed 17 rebounds in his last game as a Spur.He's like David Robinson without the talent.
Rasho will be lucky to grab seventeen in a playoff series.
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