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That's the part I don't get. His shortcomings are obvious, as are Nazr's. Why the denial by some? Not very objective for some reason. He just isn't very aggressive and a very poor rebounder for his size and position.
Basketball is a team sport and nba is not a fantasy league.
That's the part I don't get. His shortcomings are obvious, as are Nazr's. Why the denial by some? Not very objective for some reason. He just isn't very aggressive and a very poor rebounder for his size and position.
Doesn't matter. The discussion is about what a player brings to the game. I'm sure the Spurs' ever so slightly better defensive rebounding stats with him on the court are due to him and not the players he's on the court with.
His individual stats make it clear that he's not contributing on the glass.
How about this for reality: The Pistons have crushed us on the boards in the two games we've played them with Rasho starting at center.
He's had enough time to prove how bad he is, and I think he's more than proven himself.
Time to give someone else a chance.
There's no surprise why the Spurs were willing to dump Rasho last summer for TAW's rotting corpse of a career. Maybe someone will take him off their hands or, well, we'll just wait for his contract to expire.
You shouldn't play down the importance of Nazr's failure to hit his spot. The Spurs success is based on team play and running the schemes as drawn out by the coaches. All the little (sometimes non-obvious) things that drive opponents crazy (funneling the attacker to the baseline towards our bigs, the screens for TP and Ginobili.....) are a results of this mentality. Nazr not only misses a lot of these but actually gets in the way of his teammates. It breaks the plays and frustrates his teammates - the Spurs are not so great when it comes to improvisation (with maybe the exception of Manu). So until he starts playing within it he is a liability for the Spurs system.
I can accept most of Rasho's criticism (the ones with some facts in them) and actually agree with a lot of them, but anytime somebody starts offering Nazr as the solution to those problems just goes to prove that that someone is not watching the game or is just blinded by his hate for Rasho.
The biggest news in this (too) long thread was timvp's claim that Nazr hit his spot 50% of the time. That's once every two plays!!! And it's a very good news because it's a HUGE improvement. If (big IF) he continues on that path then he might become the solution - but until then he just is not!
I want this team to win, that's why I want both of them to improve their plays, because it would give us a presence at the C that would help us a lot! Imagine Rasho improving his rebounding by 3 rebs a game and Nazr remembering the plays (those are pretty modest wishes - right?). And we wouldn't need to be out there looking for questionable trade that may actually hurt us more. I still think that the current roster has the potential to go all the way (I think we may have the only roster were every single player on it is capable of contributing when called upon), but some of the players still need to give us more than they have so far.
I have not other choice than to put my faith in SPAM and look closely at the rodeo trip since this is the time of the year that the Spurs start droping hints of what they are capable of.
Yeah, I'm ing stupid. I don't know why I looked at the correct column for his career high rebounding but not for this year's. My bad.
Regardless, my point still stands: his rebounds are down, but he was never a great rebounder. Everyone just hoped he could average what Robinson did his final year. We all agree that ain't happening so far.
it's also easier to clean the glass in garbage time, you are biting your own tail constantly peter. circular logic kills. nazr is a better rebounder, rasho better defender. until we get someone who can do the things both of them combined do you will keep chasing your tail. neither's talents are such that they make either an overwhelming favorite. rasho has simply earned more minutes. quote individual stats all you want, they are obviously not enough to sway the coaching staff.
If only the Spurs could merge their two centers into Nacho Nesterommed.
That would solve all the problems.
The best two paragraphs I've seen posted in a while. I couldn't agree more.
I just want him to average 7. He averaged almost 7 in his last year in Minny I think. He averaged 7.7 in his first year here. So 7 would be fine with me. 4 isn't.
*I'm still not advocating Nazr as being a great answer.
If only the Spurs could merge their two centers into Nacho Nesterommed.
That would solve all the problems.
Goooooo Nacho!!!!
I'm still hoping that David will agree to come out of retirement to play 4th quarters for us in the playoffs. He looks like he could still bring it. Having 2 years off was probably pretty good for his back, too.
The differencial between Rasho and Nazr is bigger when Duncan is not on the court and Rasho plays 80% of his playtime with Duncan.
When Rasho plays with Duncan he did a good job on the board, Duncan is the starting PF : start Rasho and bring Nazr from the bench when you need his rebounding.
I agree. I think he could (should) get 7. His minutes are down quite a bit, but they'd probably go back up if he hit the boards in addition to the things he already does well. I think most people would be okay with the baby hooks if he could get some boards.
I also think that a healthy Manu will make a big difference in the offensive rebounding numbers as the season wears on; he's excellent at getting the critical boards.
Sure, but having no presence in the paint, at the line, and on the glass negates those contributions.
It makes sense that the Spurs are keeping Rasho with the starting unit and Nazr with the second unit due to Rasho's weakness.
I bet he could average 4.1 boards a game.
One thing that stands out to me is if you look at +/- comparing Rasho on the court to when Nazr is on the court. While both are horrible at some things (Nazr at rotating on defense and getting in players' way on offense, and Rasho at rebounding and getting to the free-throw line), it seems like Nazr is the one making his teammates better. I find it odd, but the stats don't lie.
Every player on the roster plays better with Nazr on the court than Rasho. That can't be a fluke.
With Rasho On The Court
Duncan +9
Parker +8
Ginobili +9
Bowen +6
Finley +2
Horry +8
With Nazr On The Court
Duncan +10
Parker +14
Ginobili +13
Bowen +9
Finley +7
Horry +20
Plus, if you look at the best +/- stats overall, Nazr is in impressive company. Top three on the team:
Ginobili +12.1
Horry +12.0
Mohammed +9.8
Reggie Evans averages 7 boards a night in similiar minutes. Malik Rose averaged 5.5 to 6.5 boards a night when he was getting minutes like Rasho.
Thanks for summing up my (too) long postIf only the Spurs could merge their two centers into Nacho Nesterommed.
That would solve all the problems.
I don't like the +/- stats, Rasho play more against starter than Nazr.
Yeah but Rasho plays more minutes WITH the starters than Nazr. That should mean more.
Spurs are deeper than the opposite team.
Yeah I know but you said that Rasho's numbers were skewed because he plays most of his minutes with Duncan. The truth is that Duncan actually helps Rasho get more rebounds. Next to everyone else, he rebounds much worse.
The Spurs won their 3rd championship with Nazr as the starter.
What other stat matters?
Huh?
Right. Rasho started against the Pistons twice this season and the Spurs were outrebounded by an average of 20+. Since team stats make a player, that's pathetic.
Rasho averaged 2.5 boards in those games.
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