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    Spurs are deeper than the opposite team.
    So Nazr having a better +/- overall and a better +/- when paired with every player on the roster is a fluke?

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    I think many are putting too much into Rasho being in the right spot on defense. True he usually gets to the right area, but half the time, because of his lack of athleticism he simply fouls.

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    Right. Rasho started against the Pistons twice this season and the Spurs were outrebounded by an average of 20+. Since team stats make a player, that's pathetic.

    Rasho averaged 2.5 boards in those games.

    Tpark could get more rebounds than that.

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    Yeah I know but you said that Rasho's numbers were skewed because he plays most of his minutes with Duncan. The truth is that Duncan actually helps Rasho get more rebounds. Next to everyone else, he rebounds much worse.
    I was wrong on this point.

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    Playoff basketball is an intense, physical brand of basketball. It's take no quarter. Now between Rasho and Nazr who is more likely to thrive in such a setting? Rasho can't be average, let alone dominant, in the regular season. Are we expecting him to throw a switch come April? Come on.

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    I've already came to terms that Rasho blows. I think it took all of one day, actually while he was a timberwolf.

    There is no switch.

    I just want to know when the rest are going to see the light.

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    I think many are putting too much into Rasho being in the right spot on defense. True he usually gets to the right area, but half the time, because of his lack of athleticism he simply fouls.

    Exactly. Apparently his great prowess at being on the "right" spot on the court is not showing up in his stats. If he was that adept at it, then he'd be great at boxing out and corralling rebounds.

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    Didn't the Spurs already have one playoff run with Rasho starting? And one with Nazr starting?

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    So Nazr having a better +/- overall and a better +/- when paired with every player on the roster is a fluke?
    Maybe, that's my questioning about +/- stats.

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    Nice debate.


    Applause all around for no one saying " off" or "you f'in prick" anywhere in this thread.






    That reminds me, where is TPark?

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    Didn't the Spurs already have one playoff run with Rasho starting? And one with Nazr starting?
    I'm sure Nazr will have done a better job on Shaq than Rasho.

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    I think many are putting too much into Rasho being in the right spot on defense. True he usually gets to the right area, but half the time, because of his lack of athleticism he simply fouls.
    If that were true, wouldn't his fouls per 48 minutes be higher than Nazr's? Because of his lack of athleticism he stands in the right spot, plants his feet and puts his hands straight up. It isn't pretty, but it's good defense. It still doesn't change the fact that he needs to nut the up and get some rebounds.

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    Since December 20th, the Spurs are undefeated in games that Rasho gets at least 4 rebounds. That's not exactly asking the world. If Rasho gets four rebounds, the Spurs win.

    In wins this season, Rasho is averaging 5.8 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes. In losses, he is averaging 4.4 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes.

    I can live with the thinking that Rasho is the right man for the job as the Spurs starting center ... BUT, he has to live up to his end of the bargain and rebound. The Spurs can't win if Rasho is starting and doesn't rebound.

    However, they CAN win if Rasho starts and rebounds. If he can do that then that's great for him and the Spurs. If he can't grab defensive rebounds, the Spurs have to go with Nazr and the shortcomings he brings to the table.

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    I agreed with Pop's treatment on Nazr earlier. But after all efforts on Rasho, the records showed that we may have to use Nazr for another le run.

    We may see if can financially work out with Nazr after the play off.

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    Since December 20th, the Spurs are undefeated in games that Rasho gets at least 4 rebounds. That's not exactly asking the world. If Rasho gets four rebounds, the Spurs win.

    In wins this season, Rasho is averaging 5.8 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes. In losses, he is averaging 4.4 defensive rebounds per 48 minutes.

    I can live with the thinking that Rasho is the right man for the job as the Spurs starting center ... BUT, he has to live up to his end of the bargain and rebound. The Spurs can't win if Rasho is starting and doesn't rebound.

    However, they CAN win if Rasho starts and rebounds. If he can do that then that's great for him and the Spurs. If he can't grad defensive rebounds, the Spurs have to go with Nazr and the shortcomings he brings to the table.

    I'd bet good money that the rotting corpse of Wilt Chamberlain could outrebound Rasho on certain nights if you could stand him up under the defensive basket and somehow bend his arms so they're reaching up.

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    I agreed with Pop's treatment on Nazr earlier. But after all efforts on Rasho, the records showed that we may have to use Nazr for another le run.

    We may see if can financially work out with Nazr after the play off.
    Pop hasn't really gone Serbian on anyone yet this season. We might just wait and see who responds best to it once he does. That's not as much fun, though.

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    If that were true, wouldn't his fouls per 48 minutes be higher than Nazr's? Because of his lack of athleticism he stands in the right spot, plants his feet and puts his hands straight up. It isn't pretty, but it's good defense. It still doesn't change the fact that he needs to nut the up and get some rebounds.

    I think the lower foul total is evidence of Rasho's relative lack of aggression on the court. It's also on display in his mere 22 trips to the line in 46 games this season.

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    If that were true, wouldn't his fouls per 48 minutes be higher than Nazr's? Because of his lack of athleticism he stands in the right spot, plants his feet and puts his hands straight up. It isn't pretty, but it's good defense. It still doesn't change the fact that he needs to nut the up and get some rebounds.

    No, I think it would just substantiate the feeling that Nazr is USUALLY out of position, therefore fouls even more.

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    All I am asking is that Nazr get more PT. Thats all. I am not saying Rasho sucks, or that I hate him. Not at all. I want Rasho to play well. I want him to be the Rasho he was in the MIA game. Also, though, I want Nazr to get more time. I mean, so far this year, when Nazr gets time (not just scrub time, but REAL time) he does well.

    Just give him PT!!!

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    No, I think it would just substantiate the feeling that Nazr is USUALLY out of position, therefore fouls even more.

    I think it substantiates the position that Mohammed is in the midst of the fray, asserting himself in the paint while Rasho tends to be out of the mix.

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    Nice debate.


    Applause all around for no one saying " off" or "you f'in prick" anywhere in this thread.






    That reminds me, where is TPark?

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    I think it substantiates the position that Mohammed is in the midst of the fray, asserting himself in the paint while Rasho tends to be out of the mix.
    You could suggest that the higher fouls is because Nazr is more aggressive, but trying to infer that Nazr is more in position to make defensive plays is just ridiculous.

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    It'll be interesting to see what happens tonight. Rasho has to know that it is time to step his game up. Pop has given him a quick hook in each of the last two games. And the last time Nazr was in Golden State, he put up 19 points, 15 rebounds and four blocks.

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    nazr has been solid since that denver game and with limited minutes. i havent really watched the game so im just going by stats and mostly his rebounding contribution.
    marks has also played well so good for us now we can get rid of rasho because marks can shoot better than rasho from the perimeter.
    RASHO- dude is getting out rebounded by everyone on the team, damn marks is rebounding better and he hasnt been playing. NO MORE EXCUSES NO MORE HE PLAYS BETTER DEFENSE THAT HE SUCKS!
    NAZR, MARKS, OBERTO >>>>>>>RASHO

    lets be real. truth hurts angelluv but dont worry just smile queen.

    peace
    Wow, you all rip Rasho for his 5/5 games but when he has a 15 point game you all jump on the bandwagon. And no, Marks isn't gonna go jumping into the lineup. Saying he has been playing better than rasho is a mistake. He only has to play 5-10 minutes a game compared to Rasho's 25+

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    You could suggest that the higher fouls is because Nazr is more aggressive, but trying to infer that Nazr is more in position to make defensive plays is just ridiculous.
    What? Who's more efficient at rebounding? Rebounding is a defensive play.

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