General 2014 NBA Draft Discussion

[Chinook]

Capela is 100% entering the draft. Inglis and Porzingis will probably take their names out of the draft tho.

Provided they don't get sufficient promises. I think Inglis stays in if the Spurs want him.

[Biggems]

Would Tavares be a good pick at 30? I haven't seen him play, but I have read up on him a little bit. He is a bit raw offensively. However, he has size (something that cannot be taught) and is a very nice presence in the post to block/altar shots, as well as rebound.

Since we missed out on Ennis last year, I would love to get a G/F in this draft, someone who can play the 2, 3, or 4 when needed. I know Ennis was too small to play the 4, but he would have been able to play 1-3 when called upon.

I would also like to get 2 bigs.

[CGD]

Would Tavares be a good pick at 30? I haven't seen him play, but I have read up on him a little bit. He is a bit raw offensively. However, he has size (something that cannot be taught) and is a very nice presence in the post to block/altar shots, as well as rebound.

Since we missed out on Ennis last year, I would love to get a G/F in this draft, someone who can play the 2, 3, or 4 when needed. I know Ennis was too small to play the 4, but he would have been able to play 1-3 when called upon.

I would also like to get 2 bigs.

I'm with you, I'd like for the team to draft size unless there is a great PG prospect at 30.

I fear Mills is taking a rich offer elsewhere this summer, and CoJo's inconsistency still worries me at the backup pg. The backup SF hole can be address in free agency (Shawn Marion, full MLE?). One of Bertans or Daye will occupy the stretch 4 role vacated by Bonner.

[Biggems]

I'm with you, I'd like for the team to draft size unless there is a great PG prospect at 30.

I fear Mills is taking a rich offer elsewhere this summer, and CoJo's inconsistency still worries me at the backup pg. The backup SF hole can be address in free agency (Shawn Marion, full MLE?). One of Bertans or Daye will occupy the stretch 4 role vacated by Bonner.

I actually wouldn't mind rolling the dice on Inglis at 30. He would have great chemistry with Parker and Diaw.

It would be sweet if CJ Fair could fall to us at 58. If that isn't a legit option, maybe trading the rights to both of our 2nd rounders for the rights to Fair when he gets drafted. But I do this only if we used 30 to draft a big. If, we used 30 for Inglis or another G/F, then we could try the same trade scenario to secure a big.

[Baam]

I don't see the point of drafting Inglis when they recently took Kawhi and Livio in the first round... They'd have to see a whole lot of potential there, I'd bet against it...

Regarding the idea of pulling a GHill with Green : to be worth it they'd have to get Capela and Bogdan imo... Getting the pieces to fill the void that's gonna be left by Tim and Manu could be worth it... Now don't get me wrong, Capela's absolute ceiling is Ibaka, you just can't replace Tim but you don't need to...

[xmas1997]

Provided they don't get sufficient promises. I think Inglis stays in if the Spurs want him.

Do you think they'll give Inglis a promise at #30?

[AFBlue]

I don't see the point of drafting Inglis when they recently took Kawhi and Livio in the first round... They'd have to see a whole lot of potential there, I'd bet against it.

You could probably play all three of those guys in a lineup together because of their athleticism and versatility. I don't know how they feel about him, but he just seems like a Spurs pick. If he stays in the draft, I almost guarantee the Spurs take him.

[bluebellmaniac]

If Mills, Diaw and Baynes are re-signed, we will have 13 players and only room for 2 more. The question becomes: Is anyone we draft going to be better than Bertans, LJC, Hanga? I suspect that we will either package our picks for something better or draft the best 'stash' player we have available at that pick. I strongly doubt we'd sign anyone we draft at #30 for next year.

Anticlimatic I know, but that is the reality that I perceive...

[objective]

Jason Whitlock did a podcast a couple of days ago with Brian Windhorst and Windhorst was brainstorming and speculating on IF the Cavs were willing to trade the #1 pick for an established all start or all star caliber player to get on with their rebuild, then who could they get was delved into. Besides Aldridge, he mentioned Kawhi Leonard. Part of the discussion was about lebron not being interested in going back to play with a rookie, but could be tempted to play with Irving plus a really good, young vet (like Leonard )

Seems the longest shoot in the world .. But for discussion's sake ... If the spurs win the le and Duncan retires, and if manu retired, then w would anyone be willing to move Leonard and something else, for the #1?

[Chinook]

Jason Whitlock did a podcast a couple of days ago with Brian Windhorst and Windhorst was brainstorming and speculating on IF the Cavs were willing to trade the #1 pick for an established all start or all star caliber player to get on with their rebuild, then who could they get was delved into. Besides Aldridge, he mentioned Kawhi Leonard. Part of the discussion was about lebron not being interested in going back to play with a rookie, but could be tempted to play with Irving plus a really good, young vet (like Leonard )

Seems the longest shoot in the world .. But for discussion's sake ... If the spurs win the le and Duncan retires, and if manu retired, then w would anyone be willing to move Leonard and something else, for the #1?

Yeah, probably. I'd do Kawhi and Splitter for the first pick, Varejao and another one of Cleveland's young players. But I wouldn't like it. Kawhi will probably end up being one of the top 10 player taken from 2010-2014. Quite a bird in the hand there.

[AFBlue]

Seems the longest shoot in the world .. But for discussion's sake ... If the spurs win the le and Duncan retires, and if manu retired, then w would anyone be willing to move Leonard and something else, for the #1?

You're basically asking if we think anyone in this draft has the potential to be greater than Kawhi. Obviously there's projection and risk with any choice, but I think there are two players worth that risk. One is Jabari Parker, the do-it-all forward who already has a polished all-around game, smarts, aggressiveness, and the drive/work ethic to continue getting better. The other is Joel Embiid. While he's admittedly riskier, the present defensive skill set, size, athleticism and potential as a two-way big man are hard to ignore.

[CGD]

Yeah, in this draft you have to make the Leonard move for the first even if the big three stick around another season. No brainer as much as I like Leonard.

[bluebellmaniac]

Makes me think about the comment I heard during one of the recent playoff games. It was an ex-Spur and stated that on draft night they have two lists of players on the wall of the Spur's war room. One is labelled Not A Spur, the other Could Be A Spur. Before anyone starts throwing packages of Kawhi and others at teams, consider that the list of Could Be A Spur is probably a pretty short list. Even for the top 7 picks, you'd probably only have a couple of those names on it, if that.

Pop states 'They need to get over themselves' a lot. There's a reason why we go with so many international players, it's easier for them to get over themself. How long, if ever, would it take for the top draftees in this year's draft to 'get over themselves'?

[Baam]

The top 3 all seem pretty Spursy tbh...

Only way they'd trade Kawhi is for Embiid, to get another 10 to 15 years of another great franchise big, the hardest thing to get in the NBA... But I don't see any team biting on such an offer tho so to me it's moot... And there's the back concerns as well... Crackpot scenario : Embiid slips like Noel last year due to his injury and the Spurs trade for him at 5 (Jazz pick)... Kawhi is probably as good as Jrue Holiday but Embiid has the potential to be way better than Noel...

[Richie]

Nobody is taking Kawhi for Embiid, he's too much of an franchise changing prospect. Honestly I doubt Kawhi could net us a top 4 pick in this draft.

I think Inglis takes his name out unless hes a first rounder. I love the prospect of he and Kawhi playing together small at the 3-4 or big at the 2-3.

I'm not sure if the Spurs do promises, I suspect his agent would make it known to other teams and he'd get taken before us based on that fact alone.

[Baam]

The Spurs do promises for sure, Livio didn't do any individual workout after the hoop summit so he had a promise...

[exstatic]

Nobody is taking Kawhi for Embiid, he's too much of an franchise changing prospect. Honestly I doubt Kawhi could net us a top 4 pick in this draft.

I think Inglis takes his name out unless hes a first rounder. I love the prospect of he and Kawhi playing together small at the 3-4 or big at the 2-3.

I'm not sure if the Spurs do promises, I suspect his agent would make it known to other teams and he'd get taken before us based on that fact alone.

Spurs do make deals. I'm pretty sure they gave Mahinmi a promise to get him to skip the Nike Hoop Summit. They might not in a draft like this, though. A real good player could fall.

Most guys who feel they need a promise are borderline first rounders anyway. They're not likely to move up much, if any, based on leaking the promise, and that agent would likely never get another promise for a client again if that's how he operates.

[Baam]

With teams seeing the ridiculous impact of Ibaka I guess Capela's stock will rise and he could make it in the top 15...

I'd be more than happy with Kyle "slim Diaw" Anderson and Bogdanovic tbh...

I also think that no matter what happens Splitter's stock went up so he could definitely be a valuable asset for a trade... The Suns need a center...

Trade proposal : Splitter + Beli for Len + Green + Smith + 14th and 27th pick

The Suns start 2 PG so Beli as the third guard would make perfect sense for them...

We use the picks on Capela at 14, a slipping Anderson at 27 and Bogdan at 30... Then I wake up.

[AFBlue]

With teams seeing the ridiculous impact of Ibaka I guess Capela's stock will rise and he could make it in the top 15...

I'd be more than happy with Kyle "slim Diaw" Anderson and Bogdanovic tbh...

I also think that no matter what happens Splitter's stock went up so he could definitely be a valuable asset for a trade... The Suns need a center...

Trade proposal : Splitter + Beli for Len + Green + Smith + 14th and 27th pick

The Suns start 2 PG so Beli as the third guard would make perfect sense for them...

We use the picks on Capela at 14, a slipping Anderson at 27 and Bogdan at 30... Then I wake up.

Not enough roster spots to pull off that trade tbqh. Plus, I don't think Splitter nets you two first rounders in this draft, let alone that plus a former top-5 pick and player who had a breakout year.

[Richie]

With teams seeing the ridiculous impact of Ibaka I guess Capela's stock will rise and he could make it in the top 15...

I'd be more than happy with Kyle "slim Diaw" Anderson and Bogdanovic tbh...

I also think that no matter what happens Splitter's stock went up so he could definitely be a valuable asset for a trade... The Suns need a center...

Trade proposal : Splitter + Beli for Len + Green + Smith + 14th and 27th pick

The Suns start 2 PG so Beli as the third guard would make perfect sense for them...

We use the picks on Capela at 14, a slipping Anderson at 27 and Bogdan at 30... Then I wake up.

I want some of what you're smoking. That's one of the most lopsided trades I've ever seen, the Suns aren't giving up either pick for Splitter and Beli, let alone both and two key players.

[eDizzle20]

I doubt the Spurs make a significant trade in the upcoming draft. Outside of the big 4 most the Spurs players are system players. I hope the Spurs consider San Antonio native Jordan Clarkson (PG/SG). He had a very good year at Missouri and also had a great showing at the combine.

[AFBlue]

I doubt the Spurs make a significant trade in the upcoming draft. Outside of the big 4 most the Spurs players are system players.

A trade is highly doubtful, but possible. If Splitter nets you a top-15 pick in this draft you have to consider it.

I hope the Spurs consider San Antonio native Jordan Clarkson (PG/SG). He had a very good year at Missouri and also had a great showing at the combine.

If he's around at the end of the second, I wouldn't be surprised.

[xmas1997]

Since we have a pretty good C in Tiago, I think the priority is getting a defensive minded SG/SF or SF/PF.

[pad300]

In this draft, would SAS contemplate the following pick trades:

SAS 2015 first, SAS 2104 2nd (#60), and SAS 2014 2nd (#58) for
MIL 2014 2nd (#31) and MIL 2014 2nd (#36)

or

SAS 2015 first, SAS 2104 2nd (#60), and SAS 2014 2nd (#58) for
PHI 2014 2nd (#32) and PHI 2014 2nd (#39)

Do you think either PHI or MIL would contemplate such a trade?

[AFBlue]

In this draft, would SAS contemplate the following pick trades:

SAS 2015 first, SAS 2104 2nd (#60), and SAS 2014 2nd (#58) for
MIL 2014 2nd (#31) and MIL 2014 2nd (#36)

or

SAS 2015 first, SAS 2104 2nd (#60), and SAS 2014 2nd (#58) for
PHI 2014 2nd (#32) and PHI 2014 2nd (#39)

Do you think either PHI or MIL would contemplate such a trade?

Both teams are in rebuilding mode, so I think they're less likely to surrender picks in this currently deep draft for future considerations.