My apologizes, I was being sarcastic. Coming from a poster who is an avid user of sarcasm I would hope you would pickup on itThinking LeGOAT needs PED's
You sure he wouldn't cramp up though?
That era's Steelers didn't seem to have a problem with that tbh...
Apparently there was a survey done by the University Of North Carolina Center for the Study of Retired Athletes. They surveyed 2,552 retired players from 1940 to 1990. The ones who answered yes that they did use steroids from this group were 9.1%. Of this group the ones that were offensive lineman, 16.3% said they used and of defensive lineman 14.8% said they used.
The percentages get better, or worse I suppose, when the players who played in the 1980’s (the steroid era) right before the NFL supposedly clamped down on steroid use. A total of 20.3% of the players surveyed from the 1980’s had used steroids. Not surprisingly most of them were lineman. I know that I know very little about working out and building up, but when I look at today’s lineman I still can’t help wondering if that percentage isn’t the same.
The old Chicago Stadium and Boston Garden would be scheduled off games tbh.
The old Chicago Stadium and Boston Garden would be scheduled off games tbh.
Jimbo, firstly I was being facetious about my comment insinuating PED use, I dont know who does, I dont really care.
But I was talking about the Science of PED's , not the how popular PED use is. We all know PEDs were popular in some circles dating back to the Early Cold War Olympics, but it was always a risky issue, even in the 80's the best PED's had many adverse side effects, especially when the users were not counseled by knowledgeable people. Today PEDs are quite advanced, with enough money one can get quality PEDs provided to them by actual MDs that have no moral issue as long as the money is right. Heck that German platelet stuff just shows how advanced its has gotten. With quality product and advise/treatment provided by trained professionals in the field of human health, it is no question the science of PED's is leaps and bounds above what it used to be.
I don't buy it regardless. How many of that generation's sports stars were that hurt from em? They're still walking around today.
Arnold got pumped with enough of em to look like this and he's still doing fine
& apparently the main steroids Arnold was on were Deca Durabolin, Primoblan, Dianabol.
I know people that still use the first and third today. A whole lot of people still use the second too. I don't know about the PCT and how that's changed over the years though.
Im not quite sure we are debating the same thing, are you contending that the science of PED's has not changed drastically in the past 35-40 years?
I don't think we're debating at all, you'd need sources to back up what you're saying for that. If you'd show me wrong, I'd accept it--but off the top of our heads I'm taking my own "off the top of my head" knowledge about steroids over than yours. (until proven otherwise, I'm perfectly willing to accept I'm wrong. The only substances I know about are the ones I was willing to take. & looked up beforehand)
I don't care if the science has changed, I want to know if the end results have changed. (Either regarding gains or side effects.) You're saying that they're safer today. I'm asking you why or how.
Arnold took the same steroids that people still use today. I don't know anything about the PCT they did back then versus what they do today. That's where a lot of the side effects are minimized, so you'd think that's where the biggest changes have been if what you're saying is true. (Just my thought process, I don't know if it's actually right.)
& tbh if you don't care to link anything it's no big deal. It's completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things.
Yea , we are not debating the same thing at all. My point was never that PEDs of the past were not effective, and that Right Now off the top of my head I cant cite anything, and I will concede I have no first hand or second hand knowledge of PED use, if you have been around PEDs ( not assuming use ) and can name them, as you say "off the top of your head," you have me on that. And for me, the end result of PED use, depends on the user, muscular aesthetics may be the goal on one user, longevity and pain management might be end goal for another. Most of my knowledge is from reading articles and journals, "these are not headlining grabbing, fear monger articles for layman's, but from medicals publications, but as it is not the my area of expertise I just like a wide breath of knowledge I can not, I can not cite them. My recall on the matter is from readings 3-4 years ago. Its the science and advancement that fascinates me, the progress, the stuff like German Platelet stuff, and the Stem Cell stuff.
So in short we have an "agree to disagree" situation with me using too many commas. but I do thank you for not calling me a got or a cuck. its never too late though.
The 80s was full of Marco Belinelli-type defensive players and athletes, tbh
you can't give Lebron 2014 athleticsim and modern training in the 1980's. That's like asking if a Roman army could withstand german artillery from WWII.
Fact is, with Lebron's BASKETBALL skill set he'd be an all-star, but nothing extraordinary.
He's not currently best at anything, he's 3rd in scoring and that's about it.
LeBron is an effective player because he's above average in a number of skills, but he's not the best at anything in particular.
Is he the fastest, best dribbler, best shooter, best rebounder etc. etc.? No.
You realize that everything you just said describes Dad Killer, the greatest player of all-time, too, right?..
He would be fine, he's a genetic beast
Kevin Love in the 80s would be remembered as being in the conversation of greatest PFs of all-time, tbh..
I don;t know who Dad Killer is
Michael Jordan, arguably the most athletic player in the history of basketball
A with Vince Carter's jumping ability, an Olympic long jumper's strides and Kawhi Leonard's hands..what would he have been without his genetic gifts?..
This place's "funny" name for Michael Jordan.
Damn I been here seven years and missed that tbh
- Most clutch ever
- Invented the fadeaway jumper
- strongest mentally
- Best defensive guard of his time
- Best scorer of his time
etc
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