Oh my god...

[T Park]

weed should be legalized.

Crack and that other stuff??

Keep it illegal.

We dont need millions of people walking around on crack.

That is seriously bad stuff.

[SequSpur]

Drugs are bad.

Legalizing this stuff would increase health problems and probably criminal activity.

I kind've agree with Manny though on ideals. If he wants to play poker then so be it, if he wants to smoke dope, then so be it, just don't sell it.

My ideals are only important to me.

[ShoogarBear]

weed should be legalized.

Crack and that other stuff??

Keep it illegal.

We dont need millions of people walking around on crack.

That is seriously bad stuff.

Ah, but as soon as you say that, you open the door for someone else to say that the line should be drawn at booze. More people die in this country due to effects of alcohol (accidents, liver disease) than any other drug.

I don't have an answer. I'm just saying it's hard to argue there's a clear line between "good" and "bad" drugs.

[George W Bush]

weed should be legalized.

Crack and that other stuff??

Keep it illegal.

We dont need millions of people walking around on crack.

That is seriously bad stuff.

Shut up fat boy. Your huge butt crack should be illegal.

by the way,
God Bless America

[T Park]

I don't have an answer. I'm just saying it's hard to argue there's a clear line between "good" and "bad" drugs

I agree.


I just posted this as a brag type thread to begin with to be like Mr Sportschick and manny.

But its turned into a morality debate.

[ShoogarBear]

Drugs are bad.

Legalizing this stuff would increase health problems and probably criminal activity.

Let's look at alcohol:

When it was illegal: probably less health problems (but hard to say), but definitely more criminal activity.

Legal: more health problems, less criminal activity.

Who's to say it would be different for any other drug?

[ShoogarBear]

I agree.


I just posted this as a brag type thread to begin with to be like Mr Sportschick and manny.

But its turned into a morality debate.

Eh, I don't really see a debate. Everyone has their own feelings on it, but I haven't seen anyone claim to have alll the answers and the other guy's a moron.

Me, I've never even done weed and think it tends to turn people into bozos, but can't really see why it's illegal and alcohol isn't.

[MannyIsGod]

Big Zak should be the poster child for legalized weed.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

If the goverment was smart, they'd legalize Online Gambling, so they would be able to tax the websites and tax the winnings, then that money could be used for good causes.

[T Park]

and tax the winnings, then that money could be used for good causes.

it would go to pork barrel bull like

200 grand to the rock and roll hall of fame in cleveland or some bull like that.


I wish this country was patient enough for a change, but everyone is "status quo"

[T Park]

Big Zak should be the poster child for legalized weed.

I thought you wanted it legalized?

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and the argument that if Heroin was legal we'd have millions of people walking around on Heroin is ing stupid. Does anyone actually belive that the only reason we don't have that right now is legal fear?

[Melmart1]

Alcohol and tobacco usage are rooted in our heritage

So is gambling. Gladiators used to turn their chariots over, mark the spokes and make bets based on the spins. Today, we call it Roulette. Cavemen made the first dice out of bones and rocks. Today, we use them for Craps. The first Slot machine has been around since the 1800s. Blackjack was invented in France since before the French Revolution. The Chinese invented forms of lottery to buy weapons for territorial wars to defend their villages.

In other words, it isn't going away anytime soon. So, like Ginnnnobili said, why not make it legal and tax it? Then the government can interfere like they seem to need to, but still allow me to make an adult choice about whether or not gambling is acceptable for me. Everyone is happy.

[ShoogarBear]

Gladiators used to turn their chariots over, mark the spokes and make bets based on the spins. Today, we call it Roulette.

I DID NOT KNOW THAT. That's some wild, crazy STUFF.

[T Park]

wow thats somethin else.

[Melmart1]

I DID NOT KNOW THAT. That's some wild, crazy STUFF.

You learn something new everyday!

[Jekka]

So is gambling. Gladiators used to turn their chariots over, mark the spokes and make bets based on the spins. Today, we call it Roulette. Cavemen made the first dice out of bones and rocks. Today, we use them for Craps. The first Slot machine has been around since the 1800s. Blackjack was invented in France since before the French Revolution. The Chinese invented forms of lottery to buy weapons for territorial wars to defend their villages.

In other words, it isn't going away anytime soon. So, like Ginnnnobili said, why not make it legal and tax it? Then the government can interfere like they seem to need to, but still allow me to make an adult choice about whether or not gambling is acceptable for me. Everyone is happy.

The most popular sports in early American history, though lasting far past the Revolutionary War, were bloodsports - fighting, dog fights, bull and bear baiting, horse racing - all of these games were rooted in gambling and betting. They are a huge part of early American culture (both high and low) and modern cultural formation. Like MelMart1 said, it's not going away any time soon. You might as well try to bring Prohibition back, since that was so successful.

[kris]

Whose ideals? Yours or mine? And if yours, why are yours better than mine?

I have an idea, its called letting adults decide what is good for themselves. Whether that be a spin of a roulette wheel, a joint, or even perhaps a cigarette.

It may be a novel idea, but I propose that we cut government costs by letting people live their lives instead of intruding into it with our own moralities and making other people abide by them.

I don't know about you, but I feel fairly comfortable in being able to decide what I deem healthy and nessecary in my life. Whether that be a glass of alcohol every now and again, some time at the tables, or a hit of the bong shouldn't be decided by someone who has nothing to do with my life in the interest of making me healthy.

And to be honest, it isn't about healthy. It is about agendas. How can poltician A get his agenda through the door. How can he/she stay in office to promote more of his/her agenda. Well, one way is by solving problems they create. They're going to remove personal responsibility from the equation and save the world while they're at it.

Yeah, call me stupid, but I'm pretty sure the way to save governmental related expenses isn't by creating more legislation and government. You need look no further than prohibittion as an exampe of government creating problems that it then needs to solve. The current drug war is another shining example of laws that are meant to "save" people that inevitably have a much worse effect on a larger number of people.

I think it would be great if the government had less intrusion into the lives of American citizens. And it's not the people like you that necessitate all of the programs, spending, and legislation - it's the people that are inable, for whatever reason to take care of themselves.

I agree with you that the system has major flaws from congressman with personal agendas to a deficit that will never be mastered, but I think overall we are better for it. Simply put, I think the key problem with your notion is the small percentage (say 5%) of the population that would be at a loss without government taxation, restrictions, guidelines, etc.

Another issue is where to draw the line. That's a really hard give and take.

To me there is the potential to have a good system, if you look at the skeleton of our government, but it gets bogged down with the individual imperfections of those who run it. There is a lot of corruption, laziness, greed, and inefficiency but to me that just seems what happen when humans garner power.

[CharlieMac]

Do you people feel safe sending your card information through sites like 888.com?

[MannyIsGod]

I think it would be great if the government had less intrusion into the lives of American citizens. And it's not the people like you that necessitate all of the programs, spending, and legislation - it's the people that are inable, for whatever reason to take care of themselves.

I agree with you that the system has major flaws from congressman with personal agendas to a deficit that will never be mastered, but I think overall we are better for it. Simply put, I think the key problem with your notion is the small percentage (say 5%) of the population that would be at a loss without government taxation, restrictions, guidelines, etc.

Another issue is where to draw the line. That's a really hard give and take.

To me there is the potential to have a good system, if you look at the skeleton of our government, but it gets bogged down with the individual imperfections of those who run it. There is a lot of corruption, laziness, greed, and inefficiency but to me that just seems what happen when humans garner power.

I can't disagree with that.

[MannyIsGod]

Do you people feel safe sending your card information through sites like 888.com?

Your card will probably be denied through them. Most US credit cards will nto work with online gambling sites. You'll have to setup an account with a service like Neteller (the paypal of gambling) or just do it through echeck.

Personally I love my neteller account.