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We should be out.
Never should have been there in the first place.
"When Obama was taking credit for the troops leaving Iraq"
you're such a rectal tool
... Repugs said/LIED that Barry implementing Repugs withdrawal plan was "cut and run".
I don't remember Barry doing any bravado chest thumping about withdrawing. Pretty much just matter of fact business.
I never ARGUED Obama got US out.
I say/always said he did EXACTLY what dubya/Repugs plans said USA should do.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 06-13-2014 at 10:38 AM.
We should be out.
Never should have been there in the first place.
... but but but
your buddies and TX made so much money on BigOil's War Windfall profits.
You sure are a stupid mother er.
that is right. the Satanic oil companies will spin this into an increase per usual.
damn
Looks like targeted hits
https://ia601509.us.archive.org/18/i...eelSawarim.mp4
What did they do, bring over American gangs who want to practice their drive bys?
Damn. Those IED's are brutal.
Iran is predominately Shia and that is what Iraq's gov't is. It's like Catholics/protestants in 1600s germany or 1900s ireland
Last edited by Aztecfan03; 06-14-2014 at 12:19 AM.
Which was the crux of the problem in the first place, Shiite v. Sunni, Saddam squashed that problem. We thought we would just prance in there and they would be full of love for each other, allegedly...
these fckn clowns shouldve learn their lesson from ww1 octomon empire, if the white westerners want to stop they will stop it...
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Saddam just killed whoever he wanted but mainly the kurds
http://www.newscientist.com/article/...s#.U5xklCifC7SIt is not clear at the time of writing whether ISIS will launch a military attack on Baghdad, or even if it could take the heavily armed city in a pitched battle.
But it may not need to. Iraq is ancient Mesopotamia, the once-fertile floodplain of the Tigris and Euphrates that cradled the first human civilisation. The rivers remain crucial to the farming on which most Iraqis depend, according to a report by the International Centre for Agricultural Research on the Dry Areas, which was once based in Aleppo, Syria, but has now decamped to Amman in Jordan to avoid fighting.
ISIS now controls several major dams on the rivers, for instance at Haditha and Samarra. It also holds one 30 kilometres north of Mosul that was built on fragile rock and poses a risk of collapse. It holds at least 8 billion cubic metres of water. In 2003, there were fears Iraqi troops might destroy the dam to wipe out invading forces. US military engineers calculated that the resulting wave would obliterate Mosul and even hit Baghdad.
Iraq civil war as Saudi proxy against Iran?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...i_arabia_syriaBe careful what you wish for" could have been, and perhaps should have been, Washington's advice to Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states that have been supporting Sunni jihadists against Bashar al-Assad's regime in Damascus. The warning is even more appropriate today as the bloodthirsty fighters of the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) sweep through northwest Iraq, prompting hundreds of thousands of their Sunni coreligionists to flee and creating panic in Iraq's Shiite heartland around Baghdad, whose population senses, correctly, that it will be shown no mercy if the ISIS motorcades are not stopped.
Such a setback for Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has been the dream of Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah for years. He has regarded Maliki as little more than an Iranian stooge, refusing to send an ambassador to Baghdad and instead encouraging his fellow rulers of the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) -- Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, and Oman -- to take a similar standoff-ish approach. Although vulnerable to al Qaeda-types at home, these countries (particularly Kuwait and Qatar) have often turned a blind eye to their citizens funding radical groups like Jabhat al-Nusra, one of the most active Islamist groups opposed to Assad in Syria.
Currently on vacation in Morocco, King Abdullah has so far been silent on these developments. At 90-plus years old, he has shown no wish to join the Twitter generation, but the developments on the ground could well prompt him to cut short his stay and return home. He has no doubt realized that -- with his policy of delivering a strategic setback to Iran by orchestrating the overthrow of Assad in Damascus showing little sign of any imminent success -- events in Iraq offer a new opportunity.
Iraq should have been broken up into 3 different states after Saddam was toppled. This infighting was inevitable, and it will not end anytime soon. The schism in Islam has existed since Muhammad's death, its not going to magically solve itself now.
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Only problem was the oil isn't divided equally. One of the states would be rolling in cash and the other two states would be dirt poor.
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...-deserved.htmlSenator John McCain, whom the President telephoned on Friday, has called on Obama to fire his entire national-security team, claiming, “Could all of this have been avoided? The answer is absolutely yes.” McCain is right; it could have been avoided. If, in the aftermath of 9/11, President George W. Bush had treated the arguments of Feith, McCain, and other advocates of the Iraq War with the disdain they deserved, we (and the Iraqis) wouldn’t be where we are today.
If, in the immediate aftermath of the U.S. invasion, Paul Bremer, the American proconsul in Baghdad, and his boss, Donald Rumsfeld, had not decided to disband Saddam’s army, the one ins ution that somewhat unified the country, the Iraqi state would be stronger. If, in addition, Bremer and Rumsfeld had ordered enough U.S. troops onto the streets to preserve order, then Iraq might (and it’s only a might) have held together peacefully instead of degenerating into sectarianism, anarchy, and violence.
If Prime Minister Maliki, whom the United States eventually settled on as its favored Iraqi leader, had made a serious effort to reach out to the Sunnis and the Kurds, rather than acting like a sectarian ward heeler, the departure of U.S. forces might not have created the political stalemate and ins utional power vacuum that the jihadis, first in Anbar Province and now in Nineveh and Saladin, have exploited.
None of these things happened, but the greatest mistake was the initial one. In invading Iraq and toppling Saddam, the Bush Administration opened Pandora’s Box. Given what has happened since 2003, it is almost comical to read the prewar prognostications of the neocons and paleocons for what would happen after Saddam was gone. There was talk of turning Iraq into a democratic model for other Middle Eastern countries—making it another Turkey, or even a Jordan, with a Hashemite restoration. Today it is faced with the prospect of a bloody dismemberment into three sectarian mini-states: the Sunnis in the west and northwest; the Kurds in the northeast; and the Shiites in the center and the oil-rich south. (It’s unclear where Baghdad, a city divided along religious lines, fits into this picture.)
The irony is painfully acute. Eleven years ago, in response to a terrorist attack by a group of anti-American religious fanatics, the United States invaded an Arab country with hardly any jihadis, or very few of them, to overthrow a secular dictator. Today, with much blood and money having been spent, northern and western Iraq is full of jihadis, and the U.S. government is figuring out how to prevent them from overrunning the rest of the country.
Yep. The three sides still likely would have fought each other, but at least if they were divided it would have been nation against nation, and there would be less threat of a total failed state like there is now. Best case scenario would be something similar to the India-Pakistan situation.
how to shut up the right-wingers about Iraq:
What SPECIFICALLY would you do to stop the Iraq civil war AND how many $10Bs are you willing to waste trying?
^your boy barry is currently plotting how he can get involved without too much public backlash
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