Lebron James to Spurs: Best Destination for him

[TampaDude]

I figured out what you're doing finally. Well played.

[Harry Callahan]

lebron-diaw-leonard would be better than jordan-pippen-rodman tbh.

James, Leonard, and Green on the floor would be pretty awesome one the Defensive end.....If you throw in Duncan or Splitter with Joseph you could really devastate opponents defensively. An older Tony Parker could ratchet it back a little and not burn himself out as well.

Howevah, (SAS quote) this is Lebron James we are talking about here, and Lebron james refers to himself in the 3rd person. Pop actually coaches his players, he does not make suggestions to his players.

The reality is (especially after this series and the likely result) Lebron wants nothing to do with the Western conference. I'd say Chicago or Miami will be the likely place for him.

[ohmwrecker]

I wouldn't take anyone off that Heat roster. Bunch of bums.

[Jimcs50]

Tony Manu and TD will not take a pay cut. They are already earning way under market value.

[Kidd K]

Didn't that ship already sail?

What do you mean? I see no reason why we couldn't or wouldn't keep Green for the next 6-8 years

[xmas1997]

Nope, won't happen. Love would be closer to happening than James IMHO.

[Harry Callahan]

Nope, won't happen. Love would be closer to happening than James IMHO.

And the "Great" Kevin Love requires his new team to be in a big market. Why are so many NBA players such big assholes? Especially a guy like Love who has played in as many NBA playoff games as me.

[mudyez]

What do you mean? I see no reason why we couldn't or wouldn't keep Green for the next 6-8 years

Lifetime Spur? Not with 20 games played for Cleveland!

[Mel_13]

The only way that LeBron plays anywhere other than Miami, NY, or LA is to go back to Cleveland. When you look at the franchises in those cities....

If LeBron is really tired of dragging around Dwade's corpse and truly wants to win as much as possible, then he can opt out and sign with the post-Sterling Clippers for the MLE. Stacked roster, major market, competent coach.

[tholdren]

In my 20+ years watching the NBA I have watched been able to see several legendary players: Robinson, Olajuwon, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Tim, Shaq, Kobe.... and never have I been less impressed with a league built superstar.

I have never seen a league built superstar QUIT during play on so many occasions. I mean stop competing in a game. I have never seen someone hyped up as much with absolutely no concept of what it means to compete until the end. Even during David's years anchoring the Spurs with his playoff failures and "soft" play, I was frustrated with the outcome and knew the other centers had more of an alpha presence, and almost expected a choke, but never did I get the sense that David gave up.

Enter Lebron. People say he didnt have players in Cleveland, maybe, but honestly, if you didnt think management asked for his blessing on each person they acquired then your wrong. He got who he wanted in Cleveland, and couldnt do it, so he quit. His bull excuses before during and after the game in any loss is equal to some 9 year old on the playground taking his ball and going home when things dont go right.

Lebron is a piece of . He has no loyalty, he can't lead a team to a ring, he's a giant pussy with excuses ranging from "tight jerseys, to cramps, AC, Delonte west having intercourse with his crack mother, the list goes on and on.

I can't believe how many children think he is "great." He's a gifted athlete in a soft league that caters to his every whim and still cannot get it done.

Realistically he should be a 1 time NBA champion, but ray-ray saved his game 6 choking ass (look at the last 3 minutes of the game).

Lebron isnt wanted in SA. His at ude is , his bb iq is (contrary to his scripted ass remarks), and he has no heart or loyalty. Wanting lebron would ruin the culture of the spurs that has been almost 30 years in the making.

Cant take the Ho out of housewife, and lebron is just that, ask daddy ray.

[SpursFan4-Life]

Lebron has been in Miami for four years, why would he come to a dump like SA?


and as the biggest spurs fan here! SA is a dump compared to almost every nba city

[buttsR4rebounding]

While LeBron would command a big salary you are missing the point about how that plays into his plan. It is of primary importance for him to win les. His endorsement money and income from investments is much larger than his basketball income. Being in the Finals 4 straight years has increased his "other" income by a ton. And LeBron transcends the city he is in. Dwight Howard needed a big city to promote his brand because he needs a strong local base, but not LeBron. I don't think he ever comes here, but if he became convinced that the premise of this thread were in deed true I believe he would consider it.

[DMC]

Yeah, because going ringless the rest of his career would bring in max endorsement money, not to mention how LA/NYC delivered MJ his fortune.

Who gets more endorsement money, Carmelo "Ringless" Anthony or Tim "fo rings " Duncan? I'll give you a few moments. Think exponents btw.

[Splits]

Who gets more endorsement money, Carmelo "Ringless" Anthony or Tim "fo rings " Duncan? I'll give you a few moments. Think exponents btw.

What does Tim have anything to do with this? There are other markets outside LA/NY that can provide ample exposure and bring in endorsement $$ outside those 2, which you claimed were the only options. I guess I wasn't thinking Clippers with the ringless comment but Lakers/Nets/Knicks are nowhere near winning anything right now.

[DMC]

What does Tim have anything to do with this? There are other markets outside LA/NY that can provide ample exposure and bring in endorsement $$ outside those 2, which you claimed were the only options. I guess I wasn't thinking Clippers with the ringless comment but Lakers/Nets/Knicks are nowhere near winning anything right now.

The Spurs are a small market team. You never put an endorsement giant in a small market. That's economics 101. Lakers, Nets and Knicks are all in big markets and all inside the LA/NY areas I mentioned. They don't have to win a ring to make money. Lebron can make a lot more money on a losing team in a large market than on a winning team in a small market. Carmelo should be enough evidence of that (see also Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and plenty other people who don't win but make a lot of money with endorsements). Fandom is one thing, we all want rings, but their profession is to play basketball, not to win championships. They aren't professional champions. As a professional basketball player, no different than any other profession, their goal is to make money for their shareholders, and they are their only shareholder (agent notwithstanding).

[tholdren]

The Spurs are a small market team. You never put an endorsement giant in a small market. That's economics 101. Lakers, Nets and Knicks are all in big markets and all inside the LA/NY areas I mentioned. They don't have to win a ring to make money. Lebron can make a lot more money on a losing team in a large market than on a winning team in a small market. Carmelo should be enough evidence of that (see also Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and plenty other people who don't win but make a lot of money with endorsements). Fandom is one thing, we all want rings, but their profession is to play basketball, not to win championships. They aren't professional champions. As a professional basketball player, no different than any other profession, their goal is to make money for their shareholders, and they are their only shareholder (agent notwithstanding).

Your argument fell off about here...

[Splits]

The Spurs are a small market team. You never put an endorsement giant in a small market. That's economics 101. Lakers, Nets and Knicks are all in big markets and all inside the LA/NY areas I mentioned. They don't have to win a ring to make money. Lebron can make a lot more money on a losing team in a large market than on a winning team in a small market. Carmelo should be enough evidence of that (see also Chris Paul, Blake Griffin and plenty other people who don't win but make a lot of money with endorsements). Fandom is one thing, we all want rings, but their profession is to play basketball, not to win championships. They aren't professional champions. As a professional basketball player, no different than any other profession, their goal is to make money for their shareholders, and they are their only shareholder (agent notwithstanding).

I never said anything about SA. I said your claim of MIA/NY/LA as the only options was dumb. Why is Miami gonna get him paid but not Chicago or Houston who have teams that can compete? Miami is the 16th biggest TV market, why is staying there and losing ok but not Boston or Philly or Dallas?

[DMC]

Your argument fell off about here...

Then you've never held a job. As a worker, they are there to make money, as is the franchise, as is the league. The whole ring thing is a fan attraction thing. It's entertainment. Is movie making about winning Oscars or about making money? When a player is half a billion dollars richer by having 3 fewer rings than another player, the ring argument is pointless. It's always about money.

[tholdren]

Then you've never held a job. As a worker, they are there to make money, as is the franchise, as is the league. The whole ring thing is a fan attraction thing. It's entertainment. Is movie making about winning Oscars or about making money? When a player is half a billion dollars richer by having 3 fewer rings than another player, the ring argument is pointless. It's always about money.

Luckily, you dont pay for my internet and I have held a job. My job description says nothing about "make money for employer" although that is a direct attribute of doing my job well.


??your argument is completely flawed. You are looking at the outcome of a job, not what a worker is paid to do. You had it correct the first time. Basketball players are here to play basketball, not give a about the extras. That is why the Spurs are successful, they do their job = play basketball

To answer your question it depends on what position you have during the making of a film. If you are an actor your job is to act, if you are a director your job is to direct. Pending the outcome of your job, mixed with public opinion, is how you receive money.

making money is the underlined concept in america, duh, we are capitalist, and need money to survive, unfortunately.... but it is a result of performance.

[DMC]

I never said anything about SA. I said your claim of MIA/NY/LA as the only options was dumb. Why is Miami gonna get him paid but not Chicago or Houston who have teams that can compete? Miami is the 16th biggest TV market, why is staying there and losing ok but not Boston or Philly or Dallas?

In Chicago he's chasing MJ. That's a bad deal from the start. In Houston he's playing for McHale with a re ed center and beard the FT shooting chucker. Lebron cannot keep moving around the league and expect to pull in the max amount of revenue (not just player salary). He could choose his personal goals over money, but Miami has the bandwagon fans already, and Lebron could stage a comeback next season if he can pull some talent to Miami. He knows the system, plays for Pat Riley, and has cemented himself as the best Heat player ever. In Houston he's competing with two other young stars, basically a Kevin Durant situation. If SA was a larger market it would be perfect for him, but they don't play hero ball from his position, and though he's a great passer, I don't know that his court vision is good enough to play point forward for SA and remain in that system. They could win without the system, but we have to take what we know exists now.

He has to stay away from teams that have a long history of winning rings where the fans are memory lane dwellers like Boston, but the Clippers would be a great fit. Lakers wouldn't be that great, with Kobe still trying to be the alpha on his ing monopod, goddamn pogo stick out there chucking shots.

Lebron is already in Miami, staying means he doesn't piss off more people, but if he doesn't stay, he needs to go somewhere where the number of new fans trumps the pissed off people numbers, and that's only going to happen in a larger market.

[PingPong]

This 'small Market' talk is bull . Players like Le Bron are already established in the Market and the bandwagoners all around the country (and the rest of the world) will follow him whenever he goes. If Le Bron cames to play for the Spurs, millions, perhaps billions of jerseys will be sold around the world. He will get the same endorsements from big brands that sell worldwide. Players like LeBron doesnt get endorsements like H.E.B, Wattaburger, he get endorsements from global brands. San Antônio Spurs is a bad place for rookies getting the s om, not players who are already stars. Le Bron will not came to the Spurs simply because he and his entourage don't have clubs to showing up, there are no places to showing their bling-bling cars, no celebrities to hang together.

[DMC]

Luckily, you dont pay for my internet and I have held a job. My job description says nothing about "make money for employer" although that is a direct attribute of doing my job well.

Is your goal there to make money for yourself or are you just there for the of it? I'm not saying Lebron's job is to make money for the Heat. His job is to make money for himself. He's a contractor, that's what they do.

??your argument is completely flawed. You are looking at the outcome of a job, not what a worker is paid to do. You had it correct the first time. Basketball players are here to play basketball, not give a about the extras. That is why the Spurs are successful, they do their job = play basketball

You're looking at it wrong. Although a basketball player is an employee, he's under a contract for a specific period of time. He is a like corporation in and unto himself. His job is to make money for himself, and he does that by being able to make money for his customer, who happens to be the franchise owner. Even an employee is there to fulfill a role for the employer, but the reason he's there is to make money for himself. Evidence of that is a thing called "unemployment compensation" which is a money thing, not a duty thing. We work to pay our bills, but we are hired for specific purposes. It's not as abstract as a re such as yourself makes it out to be.

To answer your question it depends on what position you have during the making of a film. If you are an actor your job is to act, if you are a director your job is to direct. Pending the outcome of your job, mixed with public opinion, is how you receive money.

You're only approaching the "your job is" from the job description side of things. You don't go looking for a job because of a job description. You go because you need the money. Unless you're independently wealthy and can get a liberal arts degree and work at Target, you need to consider income needs prior to even selecting a profession.

making money is the underlined concept in america, duh, we are capitalist, and need money to survive, unfortunately.... but it is a result of performance.

No it's not a result of performance. It's a result of supply/demand and creative bargaining. We are salesmen for ourselves, our performances are beside the point. If you've ever gotten a merit increase based on a review from a guy who never met you, you'd know that to be true.

[Kidd K]

Lifetime Spur? Not with 20 games played for Cleveland!

lol, you know what I meant. Nobody wanted him til he came to us. Like how Bowen and Elliott are only thought of as Spurs even though they played a bit elsewhere

[DMC]

This 'small Market' talk is bull . Players like Le Bron are already established in the Market and the bandwagoners all around the country (and the rest of the world) will follow him whenever he goes. If Le Bron cames to play for the Spurs, millions, perhaps billions of jerseys will be sold around the world. He will get the same endorsements from big brands that sell worldwide. Players like LeBron doesnt get endorsements like H.E.B, Wattaburger, he get endorsements from global brands. San Antônio Spurs is a bad place for rookies getting the s om, not players who are already stars. Le Bron will not came to the Spurs simply because he and his entourage don't have clubs to showing up, there are no places to showing their bling-bling cars, no celebrities to hang together.

Reading your gibberish gives me a headache.

[Death In June]

Wouldn't want him on the Spurs. Guy has a ty at ude and enormous ego (will never 'get over himself'). Not that there's a scenario where Lebron coming to the Spurs is a realistic possibility. But in any case, I don't see why someone would want this to happen. There's something about Lebron fans that strikes me as sycophant-ish. Dude s on fans, teammates, and props himself up constantly. How can you be a fan of that? Every time he loses the finals, the rhetoric is "I don't care. My life is better than yours." That's all the emotional maturity of a prepubescent boy.