Kawhi: 5 years $80 million per Bill Simmons?

[Mel_13]

Isn't the extension based on this year's cap and not the cap when it kicks in?

A max extension is 25% of the cap the year it kicks in.

[T Park]

Saves probably $5 million or so over the deal to get it done now as opposed to next summer.

Would be a very Spurs move to get it all done now and not sweat it later.

[jARS mEsH sEt]

He's a solid ball-handler, I have no idea what you're talking about. Look at his college dribbling if you want to see something to worry about.

[Chinook]

Isn't the extension based on this year's cap and not the cap when it kicks in?

No. The extension is reported assuming the cap stays the same. That's why Simmons is estimating $80M/5. However, the real numbers depend on the 2015-2016 cap, which will be at least $7 Million higher. That translates into about an extra $1.7 Million between the current 0-6 year max and the one in two seasons.

[Mel_13]

That's pretty much the max under the 2013-2014 numbers. It would be quite a big more under the 2015-2016 numbers (the ones that will actually determine the value of the contract). I'm getting a $90M/5.

If I had to guess, Simmons is just throwing crap against the wall. No way the Spurs give Leonard the full max this early in the off-season.

Yeah, this is just a guess by Simmons as to what Leonard will get, not a report of what has been negotiated. It's extremely unlikely that Leonard's agent and the Spurs will even start talking until after the draft. They have until October 31st to agree on an extension.

[Prime Time]

Wow, you've convinced me. Talk about having a way with words.

[cd021]

Not crazy about that deal. 16 million per season. 5 years, 70 million would have been a fair deal imo. But on the plus side he'd be a Spur for the next 6 seasons.

[baseline bum]

No. The extension is reported assuming the cap stays the same. That's why Simmons is estimating $80M/5. However, the real numbers depend on the 2015-2016 cap, which will be at least $7 Million higher. That translates into about an extra $1.7 Million between the current 0-6 year max and the one in two seasons.

OK, can tell I haven't read the CBA like I used to.

[Mel_13]

Wait, I was under the impression that they can't negotiate anything this year...am I missing something?

A five year extension has to be for the max.

A 4 year extension can be for less than the max.

Waiting until next summer is a distinct possibility.

[rasuo214]

Pretty sure a 5 year deal would have to be max, so either he gets that, a 4 year deal or the Spurs wait until next off-season when he'll be a RFA (5 year deal wouldn't have to be max).

[cd021]

I'm still under the impression that he isn't a max player but that's just me. He seems very capable of being a second best player on a championship team than the first. Paying in that guesstimated amount seems odd. I think his ranged is much closer to 13-14 per season (65-70 million over 5)

[Chinook]

I'm still under the impression that he isn't a max player but that's just me. He seems very capable of being a second best player on a championship team than the first. Paying in that guesstimated amount seems odd. I think his ranged is much closer to 13-14 per season (65-70 million over 5)

I wouldn't be surprised to see Kawhi get the full five-year max extension. But I'd be disappointed, since the Spurs would absolutely be bidding against themselves by doing so. I hate max extensions for rookie deals. Absolutely hate them. They make no sense.

[Chinook]

Wait, I was under the impression that they can't negotiate anything this year...am I missing something?

I don't believe they can officially agree on a deal until the first of next month. But if the Spurs want to give Kawhi the max, and Leonard wants to remain a Spur and secure his money as soon as possible, then the actual agreement would be a formality.

[gambit1990]

i'm still having trouble trying to figure out what his ceiling is.

[sdsucwsl]

As a Kawhi fan, I hope he doesn't ask and get 5/$80M. Reason, the current big 3 are not making that much. It would be an insult to the entire team for one player to get near max pay and he's not even the #1 option for the Spurs. I say no way. This could potentially F up chemistry on the team for one player to get this much.

[rasuo214]

I'm still under the impression that he isn't a max player but that's just me. He seems very capable of being a second best player on a championship team than the first. Paying in that guesstimated amount seems odd. I think his ranged is much closer to 13-14 per season (65-70 million over 5)

The Spurs have to offer the max for a 5 year deal this off-season. Next off-season they wouldn't have to but then Kawhi would become a RFA. The bottom line is do the Spurs think other teams view Kawhi as a max player because if they do those teams can offer him 4 years for 64 million and I just don't see Kawhi taking a 5 year deal in the 65-70 million range when he could get basically the same amount over 4 years plus flexibility.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm still under the impression that he isn't a max player but that's just me. He seems very capable of being a second best player on a championship team than the first. Paying in that guesstimated amount seems odd. I think his ranged is much closer to 13-14 per season (65-70 million over 5)

Not being a , but he was the best player on a championship team

[mystargtr34]

5-$80M would be too steep IMO, unless he really blows up next season and becomes a 16+ PPG scorer in the 'system'.

I love Kawhi but i don't see him ever being first option on a good team, and if you end up giving the max to a 2nd/3rd option, your going to find it tough build a contender. Im think he's worth 4 years-$55M, but will probably get a max due to being over rated slightly.

[DesignatedT]

Spurs don't have much of a choice IMO. He has the perfect mindset and at ude for San Antonio. Just have to pay him the money and hope he continues to develop. The Spurs aren't going to attract another young player like him with the same upside via free agency. They absolutely have to keep him. Waiting till next summer is starting to make more sense though although it would be nice to have a future somewhat locked up once duncan and Manu are gone.

[MeloHype]

He won't get a max contract

[jARS mEsH sEt]

Not being a , but he was the best player on a championship team

holy ing no he wasn't. He was he best player for 3 games in the finals.

[exstatic]

As a Kawhi fan, I hope he doesn't ask and get 5/$80M. Reason, the current big 3 are not making that much. It would be an insult to the entire team for one player to get near max pay and he's not even the #1 option for the Spurs. I say no way. This could potentially F up chemistry on the team for one player to get this much.

If there were jealousies, they would have been apparent in the celebration, which was ALL about Kawhi.

Those guys have ALL made their money and had their time in the spotlight. If Kawhi doesn't land in our laps, this team would have been broken up after the 2011 debacle. He allowed this team to go on for three more years (so far) with the Big Three concept.

[Mel_13]

If there were jealousies, they would have been apparent in the celebration, which was ALL about Kawhi.

Those guys have ALL made their money and had their time in the spotlight. If Kawhi doesn't land in our laps, this team would have been broken up after the 2011 debacle. He allowed this team to go on for three more years (so far) with the Big Three concept.

Yeah, Tim was the 4th highest paid player on the roster in 2012-13. I'm sure he'll be fine with Kawhi getting paid.

[FkLA]

Just noticed I put Bill instead of Greg.

Honestly something very close to Pippen is a realistic ceiling for Kawhi after what he's showed the past two Finals. Not the most explosive scorer but definitely a good enough two way player to warrant the max. Now if the Spurs could get a discount then even better, but if not I'd still be cool with the deal tbh.

[cd021]

The Spurs have to offer the max for a 5 year deal this off-season. Next off-season they wouldn't have to but then Kawhi would become a RFA. The bottom line is do the Spurs think other teams view Kawhi as a max player because if they do those teams can offer him 4 years for 64 million and I just don't see Kawhi taking a 5 year deal in the 65-70 million range when he could get basically the same amount over 4 years plus flexibility.

I forgot that part. Thats a bit of a dilemma. I'd rather have him for 4 years , 64 million.

I think the max 5 years would be over 16 per. Would save a bit per year.