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    Poor tholdren. Simultaneously taking up yacht's defense in two separate threads armed only with his wit and the fragmented memories of his high school econ course had a rather predictable end.

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    He doesnt know what he's arguing. He continues to think Splitter is overpaid, but he has no idea what that really means.
    You both aren't very smart.

    First, Mel, you claim that we cannot argue MARKET VALUE, you're wrong, as we still continue to argue it. Seems fairly simple. Next, Mel, you complain about trolling, but you do the same. If you don't know it, then it's a sad revelation for you, and possibly Jag, as you've posted on this site THOUSANDS of times. Agian, seems strange for all the time you claim not to have.

    And finally, mel, you seem to have almost gotten the gist of everything copied by jag. I AM ARGUING THAT his value COULD be higher, I'm really trying to reinforce that the term MARKET VALUE is arbitrary in capped salary situations because in an OPEN MARKET, theoretically, there would be no accessibility issues such as cap. I also am stating that this value is extreme, based on the two players I mentioned earlier that are better than Tiago, making 2-3 million less.

    The only error in communication I see here is your continuance to dismiss that you have been proven wrong in multiple posts, deflect conversations, and are not really as smart (logically, as you do seem to know something about business and CBA) as you think.

    My suggestions: work on your logic, it's lacking; stop posting so much on ST, you look like a loser; stop being a , you're calling out people for the same things you do, but they have slightly better arguments.

    No need to respond, we're finished here.

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    we're finished here.
    You certainly are.

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    ... I AM ARGUING THAT his value COULD be higher, I'm really trying to reinforce that the term MARKET VALUE is arbitrary in capped salary situations because in an OPEN MARKET, theoretically, there would be no accessibility issues such as cap. I also am stating that this value is extreme, based on the two players I mentioned earlier that are better than Tiago, making 2-3 million less.
    Are you slow or what? This is an NBA forum discussing NBA players and there IS a cap under the CBA. No one cares how much Tiago would get at McDonalds. How many people do you need to spell it for you?

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    I'm wrong. I have no clue what I'm talking about. I'm applying the same strategy as a former US President, namely "if I repeat a lie enough times, it will become truth" (except it won't).
    FIFY.

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    We have to keep Boris. I don't care what we spend. We have to keep him. No way we win the le without Diaw...

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    You certainly are.

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    Jesus H. Christ, people...can't we just enjoy the championship for a while before starting with all the nanny-ass bull ?

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    Jesus H. Christ, people...can't we just enjoy the championship for a while before starting with all the nanny-ass bull ?
    ST regressed to it's mean the morning after, tbh.

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    ST regressed to it's mean the morning after, tbh.
    Not true.

    It lasted a couple of days at least.

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    If Diaw values money over success on the court, why did he get fat and pathetic in Charlotte? he could have made a LOT more money...

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    Boris making TD take a paycut. Tbh

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    And how has Mills earned a contract bigger than Danny Green's? I've seen numbers thrown around that are much higher than what Danny Green got. Why should he get more than Green got?
    In 2011-12 Danny Green had 4.5 WS + 0.3 playoff WS; .142 WS/48 & .065 playoff WS/48. That's the context for the Green contract.

    In 2013-14 Patty Mills had 5.6 WS + 1.1 playoff WS; .175 WS/48 & .141 playoff WS/48. That's the context for Mill's contract in an offseason that Amin Elhassen says is weak in PG.

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    Boris making TD take a paycut. Tbh
    except that he didn't, did he?

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    In 2011-12 Danny Green had 4.5 WS + 0.3 playoff WS; .142 WS/48 & .065 playoff WS/48. That's the context for the Green contract.

    In 2013-14 Patty Mills had 5.6 WS + 1.1 playoff WS; .175 WS/48 & .141 playoff WS/48. That's the context for Mill's contract in an offseason that Amin Elhassen says is weak in PG.
    It's a little disingenuous to compare Green in 66 games to Mills in 81 games. In reality as the rate stats suggests, they pretty much had the same WS impact. But Green as a 3-and-D player can't be defined by win-shares, so he wins the tie, in my opinion. His regular season was much more impressive. However, his WCF really drug down his rating for the playoffs (in addition to a disappointing Utah series). I wouldn't mind if Mills gets a bigger contract Green got two years ago, but I don't think those stats really show why he should.

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    3 years 15-18 is what Boris will get. He's 32, so unlikely to get more than 5 or 6 mil a year, and Spurs probably can't keep Patty if they give Boris 8-10mil/yr.

    The other possibility is 2 years 13-15mil structured: 5mil first year, 10 the year after.

    I still think he'll take 15-18/3 and be happy as Larry to make that kind of money from ages 32-35.

    PS And Patty will get 18-22/4. He's entering his prime, thrives on the big stage, may have another level of improvement in him (in terms of running the team, passing and finishing around the rim), and I think the Spurs see him as a big part of the post-Manu/TD succession plan. If you can get that for 5mil/yr you take it and run!
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    We have to keep Boris. I don't care what we spend. We have to keep him. No way we win the le without Diaw...
    yep, he was as important as anyone against OKC and MIA

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    3 years 15-18 is what Boris will get. He's 32, so unlikely to get more than 5 or 6 mil a year, and Spurs probably can't keep Patty if they give Boris 8-10mil/yr.

    The other possibility is 2 years 13-15mil structured: 5mil first year, 10 the year after.

    I still think he'll take 15-18/3 and be happy as Larry to make that kind of money from ages 32-35.

    PS And Patty will get 18-22/4. He's entering his prime, thrives on the big stage, may have another level of improvement in him (in terms of running the team, passing and finishing around the rim), and I think the Spurs see him as a big part of the post-Manu/TD succession plan. If you can get that for 5mil/yr you take it and run!

    My best guess is Diaw 2 year 15-16 mil; Patty 3 year 14-15 mil.

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    13 to 16 is about right. Annually, that's close to max territory

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    My best guess is Diaw 2 year 15-16 mil; Patty 3 year 14-15 mil.
    Why wouldn't the team offer Patty a four-year deal? They are trying to build a succession plan, and if he is part of it, you lock him up for as long as you can, especially since he is just entering his prime.

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    Eighteen bucks? Screw that surrender-prone, French fatass! Max $14.50 !!! Si se puede!

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    Why wouldn't the team offer Patty a four-year deal? They are trying to build a succession plan, and if he is part of it, you lock him up for as long as you can, especially since he is just entering his prime.
    Who's the last guard not named Tony or Manu the Spurs gave a 4 year deal to?

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    That would certainly seem to be true when you talk about teams that could remotely be considered contenders. The MLE is 4yrs/21M. I say the Spurs make their first offer at 3yrs/21M and get Boris wrapped up before he even talks to another team.
    If you've watched the Spurs operate for the last decade, it's really not that hard to predict what they're going to do.

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    If you've watched the Spurs operate for the last decade, it's really not that hard to predict what they're going to do.
    Yeah. There was an internal cap at work here that the vast majority was unaware of and that was, Ginobili's contract. Even though Diaw's contract won't be distributed as such, they were never going to pay him a cent more than $7.5M on average.

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    If you've watched the Spurs operate for the last decade, it's really not that hard to predict what they're going to do.
    I have never followed the salary cap and pricing strategy with any diligence.

    Could you please explain how you made the correct guess of 3 yrs/21 M and how this relates to the MLE?

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