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Robinson had a deal where he was given the average of the two highest paid players in the league. That one would probably count as a max contract I would think.
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Robinson had a deal where he was given the average of the two highest paid players in the league. That one would probably count as a max contract I would think.
Sarcasm...duh. Stick to trying to get pinked.
I agree with MaNu4Tres. I think the Spurs will hope to get that 5 year, $60M type contract for Kawhi. It will be up to him to accept it though, because like Tim, Tony, Manu, all had to consider during their negotiations, he could make more than that somewhere else. As EX said, teams will certainly be out there waving max deals in his face. I think the Spurs will try to lock him up early, and will probably hedge up to the $65-$70M range in the negotiation process.
The Finals was a coming out party for Kawhi. He's probably going to have the best year of his career this upcoming season. Max dollars may be required to keep him around. And if he ends up being the only max deal on the Spurs roster, perhaps their model of having lots of other mid-range salary role players who fit the 'Spurs profile' will continue to work.
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Leonard gets more than Hayward and Parsons. The spurs should pay him what he deserves. This guy isn't a headcase, has the personality to stick with SA, and has the skills to keep us a good team at the least. The front office will surround him with players that will maximize his potential. Even Duncan flirted with leaving. To keep Leonard it looks like the spurs will need to pay him the full amount.
Leonard is not going to be greedy IMO. He has great head on his shoulder and knows it was Pop and the rest have helped him developed into the player he is. The Spurs don't buy talent, they create it.
He will stay a Spur whatever the cost.
Agree. Kawhi will get maxed out, the only question is who will do it. Will the Spurs go full bomb 5 years max, or let another team do the max 4-year offer and match it? The latter route only includes 4.5% raises (as opposed to the 7.5% raises the Spurs can offer), which reduces the cap hit but could really piss Kawhi off.
They are projecting another cap jump next year, and then a cap tsunami in 2016, with the new TV deal. If they MAX him at next years higher rate his contract would be an actual steal about 2 years later
This is my final guess. I'm guessing Leonard will average $12.75M/year. Let's see who comes closest.
I'm hoping that Kawhi sees the example set by some of the current Spurs players and takes less. I know he's young and hasn't been paid like Tim Duncan has, but if his main objective is winning, then taking a little less might help the Spurs to be able to get better players around him to keep competing/contending.
I think he's worth the max (especially after seeing what GMs are throwing around out there during this free agency period), and it's completely up to him if he wants to take less.
Why should he? SA's cap sheet is relatively clean, and Tim and Manu's $17M could easily roll off next summer before his contract would kick in. Pay the man.
The Spurs never paid a prime Manu or Tony max, that's why IMO he should consider taking a little less. They did, so that the Spurs had a little bit more room to work with. Spurs can't afford to give out max contracts if they want to stay near the top and continue contending (unless it's someone like Tim Duncan they're offering the max to). Anyway, if Pop and the front office want to pay Kawhi the max, then I am all for it.
I'm not sure they'll have a choice. He could just decline all extension offers and take this into next summer. He'll get the MAX then....
BTW, neither Tony or Manu were "the guy" when they got their contracts. Kawhi likely will be.
Kawhi will get paid handsomely, no doubt.
There's a lot more to it though than just max money.
Leonard now knows Pop will be his coach for the next 5 years at the very least. You can pretty much cement Parker as the All-Star point guard for the Spurs as long as Pop is here. Duncan and Manu will likely be gone by 16-'17', but the foundation of Pop, RC and Parker will still be intact and so will the winning culture -- money can't buy that. Only players who play for the Spurs understand this.
It's why Manu and Tony, even after making All-Star teams (clarifying their elite status among their peers), passed on max money and being the "guy" on another team. There's a lot of value in the winning culture Pop and the Spurs have built the past 18 years. They see Pop as their second father. Its a not a team, it's a family-- a family that has won more than any other franchise in all of sports the past 20 years.
Players like Hayward, or Parsons don't have a clue on what it's like. That is why they strictly chase the money (rightfully so) and don't even consider taking a dime less for the sake of their team, for what?
All in all, I don't really believe its set in stone that Leonard will get the max. Sure he deserves it when you compare the Hayward deal. However, if history holds true, and if Leonard values Pop, winning, the Spurs' culture, and understands their small market, there's a reasonable chance they find a common ground where he still gets paid handsomely ( 5/60-65).
Sure it's not set in stone that Kawhi and the Spurs will settle on a max deal, either via an extension this summer or a new contract next summer.
It is a fairly settled issue, however, that he will command a max deal if he reaches the free agent market next summer.
Certainly. I should have clarified I was referring to the extension scenario, not the hypothetical possibility for him to reach the free agent market next summer.
Manu has been maxed out before. It's frustrating that people keep acting like he wasn't.
You may have missed this from the other thread, but any 5 year extension for Kawhi this summer has to be for the max per the 2011 CBA. Any less than max extension has to be for 4 years.
Kawhi needs to go ahead and get his money. At this stage, his contract isn't big enough for him to need to or want to give part of it up. Early Duncan wad grabbing every cent he could get.
So long as the Spurs wait until next summer to max out Leonard, they'll be fine financially.
I'd support maxing him out now.. just because he's awesome.. but waiting might be the best bet for the Spurs
After what Hayward will get, it's inevitable. No reason to be upset.
If they wait till next summer and try to do the maneuvering with free agency (say if Tim retires and they have cap space), would they:
a) still be able to give him the full five year max?
b) be subject to a team swooping in and giving him a max offer sheet with less years and be forced to match it (vs. having him under control for longer)?
Yes, but if they're prepared to give Leonard the five-year max, they have nothing to fear.
Unless something has changed under this CBA, you can match amounts on an offer sheet, and still give the player maximum years and hometown raises.
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