Two guys with guns being stupid. Shocker.

[RandomGuy]

IMO, the problem isn't with the guns themselves, nor the amount of guns in circulation. Blaming guns is a cop out. Address the issues that actually cause violence (poverty, joblessness, poor education etc) and we'll see improvements.

I don't entirely disagree.

What guns do, though, is put the capability to inflict mass casualties into the hands of violent people who want to inflict mass casualties.

Put a knife, or even a sword in the hands of a violent nut job, and he will not have the capacity to inflict 22 casualties in within 15 minutes.

[Blake]

If those worked we'd never hear of robberies. You've told me before what you'd use for protection but I've forgotten.

since I live in a good neighborhood with good locks, a break-in isn't an issue so I've forgotten too.

No need for me to be a scared pussy having a gun next to my pillow at night.

[tlongIII]

since I live in a good neighborhood with good locks, a break-in isn't an issue so I've forgotten too.

No need for me to be a scared pussy having a gun next to my pillow at night.

Sorry Mr. Blake but that makes no sense. Your WHOLE neighborhood has good locks? How do you know? Do you really think that "good locks" prevent break ins? I mean, even celebrities homes get broken into and I think their locks would be better than your whole neighborhood's locks.

I am sorry if I was rude Mr. Blake but what you said just didn't make sense to me. Plus, living in Oregon, having a gun doesn't make me a p word. Maybe it's just different in Texas.

[tlongIII]

I don't entirely disagree.

What guns do, though, is put the capability to inflict mass casualties into the hands of violent people who want to inflict mass casualties.

Put a knife, or even a sword in the hands of a violent nut job, and he will not have the capacity to inflict 22 casualties in within 15 minutes.

What if he was a trained ninja? Or if he had a knife in each hand and swung his arms around in a crowd?

[pgardn]

What if he was a trained ninja? Or if he had a knife in each hand and swung his arms around in a crowd?

Or what if he was Godzilla?

[tlongIII]

Or what if he was Godzilla?

You are sill pgardn. If he was godzilla then he would just breath that radioactive fire stuff. OOORRRRR he would just step on them. Knives would be the least of your worries.

Would godzilla be able to break through good locks though? That's the real question.

[TheSanityAnnex]

I don't entirely disagree.

What guns do, though, is put the capability to inflict mass casualties into the hands of violent people who want to inflict mass casualties.

Put a knife, or even a sword in the hands of a violent nut job, and he will not have the capacity to inflict 22 casualties in within 15 minutes.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-China.html

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schoo...hina_(2010–12)

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...knife-attacks/

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/dail...200145860.html

[TheSanityAnnex]

since I live in a good neighborhood with good locks, a break-in isn't an issue so I've forgotten too.

keep telling yourself that.

[Frank Dux]

I believe you need a permit to own a gun. The cons ution is silent as to any kind of permit requirements. If you commit and are convicted of a felony it becomes illegal to own a gun, the cons ution is silent on this as well.

Cons utional rights are broadened and narrowed all the time. We have a cons utional right to bear arms but the cons ution isn't specific on the type of arms we can bear. It is certainly silent on the technological advances guns and firearms have enjoyed since the late 1790s. I think that regulation of arms is a responsibility of both the state and federal governments. My method might not work, I do not pretend to be a gun expert, or an expert on gun safety. I think that there can be reasonable regulation that is ins uted in the interest of public safety.

We're not talking about felons who have forfeit many of their rights as a result of their crimes.

In some states you need a permit to buy a gun. In other states you don't need a permit.

I also believe there can be reasonable legislation, but what you're suggesting isn't reasonable. It goes far deeper than obtaining than obtaining a permit, and opens up the door to discrimination on many levels.

[Bill_Brasky]

Never got the point of wanting to walk around with a gun on your hip in plain view. It does nothing but advertise that YOU are the first person the bad guy should shoot.

[vy65]

I don't entirely disagree.

What guns do, though, is put the capability to inflict mass casualties into the hands of violent people who want to inflict mass casualties.

Put a knife, or even a sword in the hands of a violent nut job, and he will not have the capacity to inflict 22 casualties in within 15 minutes.

ANFO was first used in 1970 by student protesters at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, who learned how to make and use ANFO from a Wisconsin Conservation Department booklet en led Pothole Blasting for Wildlife,[10][14] resulting in the Sterling Hall bombing.

The ANFO car bomb was adopted by the Provisional IRA in 1972 and, by 1973, the Troubles were consuming 47,000lbs of ammonium nitrate being used for the majority of bombs.[15] The IRA detonated an ANFO truck bomb on Bishopsgate in London in 1993 killing one and causing £350 million in damage. It has also seen use by groups such as the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), and ETA.

Ramzi Yousef who was closely associated with Al Qaeda used ANFO to try to destroy the World Trade Center in 1993. A more sophisticated variant of ANFO (ammonium nitrate with nitromethane as the fuel called ANNM) was used in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

In 2001 The Shijiazhuang bombings (Chinese: 靳如超爆炸案 or 石家庄"3·16"特大爆炸案) were a series of bomb blasts that rocked the city of Shijiazhuang, China on 16 March 2001. A total of 108 people were killed, and 38 others injured when within a short period of time several ANFO bombs exploded near four apartment buildings, and were characterized by China scholar Andrew Scobell as perhaps the worst terrorist act in the history of the People's Republic of China.

Improvised bombs made with agricultural-grade AN are less sensitive and less efficient than the explosive-grade variety. In November 2009, a ban on ammonium sulfate, ammonium nitrate and calcium ammonium nitrate fertilizers was imposed in the former Malakand Division – comprising the Upper Dir, Lower Dir, Swat, Chitral and Malakand districts of the North West Frontier Province (NWFP) of Pakistan, by the NWFP government, following reports that those chemicals were used by militants to make explosives.

In April 2010, police in Greece confiscated 180 kilograms of ANFO and other related material stashed in a hideaway in the Athens suburb of Kareas. The material was believed to be linked to attacks previously carried out by the "Revolutionary Struggle" terrorist group.

In January 2010, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan also issued a decree banning the use, production, storage, purchase or sale of ammonium nitrate, after an investigation showed that militants in the Taliban insurgency had used the substance in bomb attacks.[16][17][18]

On 22 July 2011, an aluminium-powder enriched ANNM explosive, with total size of 950 kg (150 kg of aluminum powder), increasing demolition power by 10-30 percent over plain ANFO, was used in the Oslo bombing.[19][20]

A formula developed by Sandia National Laboratories which combines iron sulfate with ammonium nitrate results in an effective and cheap fertilizer which is useless as a component in an ANFO explosive; "the iron ion “grabs” the nitrate and the ammonium ion takes the sulfate ion. Iron sulfate becomes iron nitrate and ammonium nitrate becomes ammonium sulfate. This metathesis reaction occurs if someone tries to alter the fertilizer to make it detonable when mixed with a fuel." The formula was not patented, but, as of 2013, had not been marketed widely in regions such as Afghanistan where ammonium fertilizer is both needed and abused, where the formula could provide considerable mitigation against fertilizer misuse. Both iron and sulfate ions are effective fertilizers in themselves, especially in alkali soils.[21]

Nothing to see here folk, RG doing RG things.

[vy65]

IMO, the problem isn't with the guns themselves, nor the amount of guns in circulation. Blaming guns is a cop out. Address the issues that actually cause violence (poverty, joblessness, poor education etc) and we'll see improvements.

Seriously this though. The liberals in this thread are hypocritical s because when the issue relates to crime, then blame is laid on the lack of education, jobs, etc... Yet when the issue comes to guns, it's the gun itself which becomes the issue, and not the social environment in which it is being used.

[pgardn]

Seriously this though. The liberals in this thread are hypocritical s because when the issue relates to crime, then blame is laid on the lack of education, jobs, etc... Yet when the issue comes to guns, it's the gun itself which becomes the issue, and not the social environment in which it is being used.

So the Bundy situation falls under what category of environment?

[Blake]

Sorry Mr. Blake but that makes no sense. Your WHOLE neighborhood has good locks? How do you know? Do you really think that "good locks" prevent break ins? I mean, even celebrities homes get broken into and I think their locks would be better than your whole neighborhood's locks.

I am sorry if I was rude Mr. Blake but what you said just didn't make sense to me. Plus, living in Oregon, having a gun doesn't make me a p word. Maybe it's just different in Texas.

Some places you might need a gun by your pillow. If so, I guess you're being prudent to keep one.

there have been nights I accidentally left the front door unlocked. It's just not an issue where I live. In my situation, I'd have to really be a sky is falling pussy to keep a gun next to my pillow.

[Blake]

keep telling yourself that.

Sorry you live in a place where you need a gun by your pillow in order to sleep at night.

[DisAsTerBot]

Some places you might need a gun by your pillow. If so, I guess you're being prudent to keep one.

there have been nights I accidentally left the front door unlocked. It's just not an issue where I live. In my situation, I'd have to really be a sky is falling pussy to keep a gun next to my pillow.

not saying you need a gun but believing that robberies are not an issue in this neighborhood or that is naive at best. Especially with an anecdote like "one time i didnt lock my frontdoor and nobody robbed me!"

[Blake]

not saying you need a gun but believing that robberies are not an issue in this neighborhood or that is naive at best. Especially with an anecdote like "one time i didnt lock my frontdoor and nobody robbed me!"

you're assuming I'm being naive without you even knowing where I live.

If I was concerned for my safety in my house at night, I'd get a gun.

Fwiw, most house robberies happen during the day by dudes scoping out the place watching patterns of occupants coming and going....a lot of times someone that has met the owner/occupant.

The chances of me getting attacked in my home is as close to zero as it gets. Just not worth getting a gun with those odds.

[pgardn]

Sorry you live in a place where you need a gun by your pillow in order to sleep at night.

Snakes attack double chins...

[TheSanityAnnex]

Sorry you live in a place where you need a gun by your pillow in order to sleep at night.

Not the case at all. Guns are a hobby for me, why would I not have one near me at night? You are so sure you are safe where you live...want to compare crime rates in our cities/towns?

[Blake]

Not the case at all. Guns are a hobby for me, why would I not have one near me at night?

Oh, you mean like how some people work on sudoku in bed, you work on your gun?

You are so sure you are safe where you live...want to compare crime rates in our cities/towns?

well I won't be moving to Sacramento even if it's safer, but if you have home invasion stats for San Antonio, sure, let's take a look.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Oh, you mean like how some people work on sudoku in bed, you work on your gun?



well I won't be moving to Sacramento even if it's safer, but if you have home invasion stats for San Antonio, sure, let's take a look.

For a guy that just spoke to another poster in this same thread about making assumptions on where one lives....seriously????


Sacramento?????

You won't find a nicer town where I live in north San Diego county.

Sacramento cause my team name says so.

Again...want to compare crime rates San Antonio?

[pgardn]

Nothing on this very page. So yea, it's going well for you. Thanks for the non answer.

Do you remove the gun from easy access every time you step out the door?

Do you know where the majority of guns are stolen from in a household? Where does an intruder look first to find guns to sell?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The gun is put in the safe every time I leave the house. It takes all of 5 seconds.

[pgardn]

The gun is put in the safe every time I leave the house. It takes all of 5 seconds.

And you never forget?

Its just like leaving a knife out, yes?

So when is it time take the gun back out?

And you keep it loaded all the time? In and out of the safe?

[Blake]

For a guy that just spoke to another poster in this same thread about making assumptions on where one lives....seriously????

Because that's exactly the same thing.

He called me naive. I'm not calling you naive.

Sacramento?????

You won't find a nicer town where I live in north San Diego county.

Sacramento cause my team name says so.

oh look who just won the internets because I guess wrong on his hometown.

Again...want to compare crime rates San Antonio?

Again...sure, go for it.