Mavs: Dirk takes even bigger paycut than initially offered

[Kool Bob Love]

Lakers really offered dirk a max contract??? Wtf.

[Killakobe81]

I said it at the time the players were dumb. If league was struggling how can I franchise like the bucks in a crappy market get sold for over $550 million and Cuban to complain they got off "cheap" and be right. Players took a dumb deal. Yes Kobe's deal sucks ... but the CBA is worse. You dummies applaud a CBA that forces the best players to take paycuts only to overpay Hayward, Parsons and Chandler Frye.

Yes the lakers suck but I said it was a ty deal back when it was signed. Owners are not offering a cheaper or better product with the money they saved by placing salary restrictions and ceilings ... that is straight cash for dem owners. Screw them. Kobe should get paid if we suck ... Oh, well. I wanted him to take $15 (never 10 like Dirk or Tim) but I dont begrudge him it. This CBA is dumb and the GM's dumber.

[spurraider21]

paying Jordan Hill 9 million when Dirk gets 8.3

3/25 is the same as Lin/Asik got, but without the poison pill

[Buddy Mignon]

There isn't a predetermined income cap in the corporation though

There is a budget, and in most cases when management repeatedly go over it heads roll.

[Buddy Mignon]

Lakers really offered dirk a max contract??? Wtf.

Dirk is worth it.

[Killakobe81]

There is a budget, and in most cases when management repeatedly go over it heads roll.

There are income caps it just is not called that ...

[spurraider21]

There are income caps it just is not called that ...

Bonuses and such are based on profit, aren't they? I don't think there is a predetermined cap on how much profit a corporation takes in. You are comparing apples to oranges

[Buddy Mignon]

I said it at the time the players were dumb. If league was struggling how can I franchise like the bucks in a crappy market get sold for over $550 million and Cuban to complain they got off "cheap" and be right. Players took a dumb deal. Yes Kobe's deal sucks ... but the CBA is worse. You dummies applaud a CBA that forces the best players to take paycuts only to overpay Hayward, Parsons and Chandler Frye.

Yes the lakers suck but I said it was a ty deal back when it was signed. Owners are not offering a cheaper or better product with the money they saved by placing salary restrictions and ceilings ... that is straight cash for dem owners. Screw them. Kobe should get paid if we suck ... Oh, well. I wanted him to take $15 (never 10 like Dirk or Tim) but I dont begrudge him it. This CBA is dumb and the GM's dumber.

I've sided with the owners all along. As a businessman I see their point, and agree with it. But as someone who was always in the top tier in sales, I cringe to see guys like Pau, Parson, Joe Johnson, Amare, and so many others get overpaid. This is where the owners are at fault. The end result will be an improvement in overseas play. You'll find much more top tier talent going overseas to cash in. Makes me feel like were turning into a 3rd world country...

[midnightpulp]

I've sided with the owners all along. As a businessman I see their point, and agree with it. But as someone who was always in the top tier in sales, I cringe to see guys like Pau, Parson, Joe Johnson, Amare, and so many others get overpaid. This is where the owners are at fault. The end result will be an improvement in overseas play. You'll find much more top tier talent going overseas to cash in. Makes me feel like were turning into a 3rd world country...

Sup with that 200.00, homie.

[Buddy Mignon]

Sup with that 200.00, homie.

I told you... if Cully says pay... I pay. That's my word. For what it's worth, I feel ty about you being caught in the cross fire. You're an honest man... but I'm loyal to a fault.

[Killakobe81]

Bonuses and such are based on profit, aren't they? I don't think there is a predetermined cap on how much profit a corporation takes in. You are comparing apples to oranges

There is no cap in how much profit a team can make either (IIRC) the players just get a pre-determined % of "profits". But the owners are notorious for not accurately reporting said profits. My issue is that the owners "collude" to keep salaries down in CBA negotiations but once a new deal is struck go spending like crazy since they know they screwed the players over. If DPG and others are worried about the fans, then why not push owners not to lower ticket prices or NBALP fees? They dont give a even less than the players do. Screw them. But Kobe, Dirk and duncan all time GOAT caliber players at their positions should take less?

[BlackSwordsMan]

great ing guy

[BlackSwordsMan]

Whoever wins mavs v spurs next season is the new NBA champ

[spurraider21]

There is no cap in how much profit a team can make either (IIRC) the players just get a pre-determined % of "profits". But the owners are notorious for not accurately reporting said profits. My issue is that the owners "collude" to keep salaries down in CBA negotiations but once a new deal is struck go spending like crazy since they know they screwed the players over. If DPG and others are worried about the fans, then why not push owners not to lower ticket prices or NBALP fees? They dont give a even less than the players do. Screw them. But Kobe, Dirk and duncan all time GOAT caliber players at their positions should take less?

i'm just saying comparing paycuts on a corporate level are apples and oranges when comparing NBA players taking paycuts. lebron took a paycut to play alongside Wade/Bosh because he wants to win. you have no incentive to take a paycut for a low level employee. its a different ballpark

[Splits]

Dayummmm, Kirbystan is maaaaddd

[Killakobe81]

i'm just saying comparing paycuts on a corporate level are apples and oranges when comparing NBA players taking paycuts. lebron took a paycut to play alongside Wade/Bosh because he wants to win. you have no incentive to take a paycut for a low level employee. its a different ballpark

I get that, but that is also a silly response. Lebron took less for Wade & Bosh not Chalmers and Norris cole that is the point I am making ...

[Juggity]

Dirk will recoup that money and more after Cuban offers him an ownership stake/FO job when his NBA career is over. He made the right choice taking less now.

If only Kobe were that intelligent...maybe the ol' bag would be prepping for a run at #6 instead of another run at the lottery

[Killakobe81]

Dayummmm, Kirbystan is maaaaddd

Im not mad said this when the CBA was struck. Just pointing it out because people want to give dirk saint-hood ...and he probably doesn't ring and gave Cube's rich ass a discount. I just dont support that . I was a victim of a layoff from a great job with one of dem shady banks some years back so I guess now I have love for corporate big wigs with their golden parachutes and profit sharing 'em. It's supposed to be a free capitalist economy so no one should be restricted on how much they can make.

[spurraider21]

I get that, but that is also a silly response. Lebron took less for Wade & Bosh not Chalmers and Norris cole that is the point I am making ...

duncan took less to keep splitter, green, diaw

[Killakobe81]

duncan took less to keep splitter, green, diaw

Splitter was already signed same with Green ... Yes it helped keep Diaw and mills. but if they did walk wgaf? you play someone else those are role players. Valuable sure but Spurs can find others they always do.

[Splits]

Look, the players union ed up in the last CBA. The owners pwned them. There's no way around that. I'm on the players side. the owners. But the situation is what it is. Kobe taking a third of the salary cap and then "expecting" to compete for a le is disingenuous at best and psychotic at worst. Unless he's completely delusional, there was no way he could have expected the Lakers to compete for anything if he was going to eat $24m per year with 0 young assets and minimal draft picks thanks to Mitch/Nash. He's trying to have it both ways, everyone can see through the charade, but Kirbystan wants to deflect and make excuses.

[spurraider21]

Splitter was already signed same with Green ... Yes it helped keep Diaw and mills. but if they did walk wgaf? you play someone else those are role players. Valuable sure but Spurs can find others they always do.

duncan signed for 3 years 30 million a few years ago. that money was used for splitter, green, diaw

[ambchang]

You guys are comparing different situations, after the 12.3% California tax (0% tax) and the 50% Vanessa tax (vs. 0 for Dirk), they take home about the same.

Finally, the CBA is stupid, it makes no sense to have the best player take a pay cut so that mid level players can earn the same as the max players. However, a few issues here:
1) Players do not have leverage. What are you going to do if you don't sign a CBA? Play in Italy? Flip burgers in the local joint? Mean while, owners continue to rake in millions from their other business ventures.
2) Signing dumbass contracts for mid level players are management's issues. When a star signs a reduced contract, conditions on player moves should be there. Without it, management can sign a bunch of high school kids to $15M contracts and get nothing in return.
3) Duncan didn't really sign a reduced contract based on his play level when he signed it. Duncan wasn't playing that well when he signed it back then. It was a reduced contract as compared to his legacy with the Spurs. But why hamstrung the organization with a financial reward when all you want is to win more rings? You sign on for getting rewarded with something you want, not what some Naruto lover thinks you should have.

[Sportstudi]

Dirk took a pay cut a few years ago to keep his le team together. How was he rewarded? Cuban broke up the team for a pipe dream. The NBA owners are laughing their asses off at the stupidity of the players. They've used the media to create this negative stigma about teams that go over the salary cap, and castrate players that demand max contracts. This is why you see max players taking pay cuts. You only have only one winner at the end of the season. But with this current mindset all of the owners win. To prove my point and to show how stupid most of these guys are in this thread... the Bulls refused to break bread with its role players even after winning a three-peat, yet they were more than willing to cut MJ his 30 mil. That's the way it should be... not the other way around where superstar players are taking less so that scrub role players can be overpaid.

Yes and no. Dirk turned down $16 million in 2010 to get a better roster. It paid off by winning in 2011. However, the team broke up afterwards. So, it was not a perfect outcome.

And for the paycut he took this time: The max contract for Dirk from another team is 4/102. That means he turned down $77 million as apparently both the Rockets and the Lakers offered him a max contract (according to rumours). Seriously, is there any other guy in the NBA who would turn down that amount of money just for the team? The only one I could think of would be Duncan, but that's it.

[Killakobe81]

duncan signed for 3 years 30 million a few years ago. that money was used for splitter, green, diaw

wasnt talking about that cut ...talking the latest one with new CBA which is the one that is relevant to topic at hand ...