Clippers: Is chris paul the 2nd best pg of all time?

[Clipper Nation]

Second-best all time? no, but he could be top 5 by the time he retires, tbh....

[Kidd K]

Let's not forget that Paul has no rings, no Finals appearances, nothing. He probably should have an MVP (the one Kobe was gifted), but for the record he doesn't.

Isiah has two rings.

Parker has three rings and a Finals MVP.

Magic has 5 rings and some MVPs.

Stockton at least got to the Finals multiple times and was a contender several other times. Not to mention holds several records.

Big O has a ring, an MVP, and gaudy statlines.

Paul is at best #6, and you're still putting him above Jason Kidd, Gary Payton, Steve Nash, and a few other really great PGs who are arguably above Paul.

Oscar Robertson
Tony Parker
Stockton
Isiah

He's not better than any of the above when it comes to legacy, 0 rings, 0 MVPs, hasn't been past the 2nd round, Stockton has the most assists all-time and went to 2 Finals, was one shot away from pushing MJ to his first game 7, if CP3 doesn't ring he's not better in any way. The big O won a ring with Kareem and averaged triple doubles, Isiah Thomas won multiple rings and defeated MJ and Magic in the playoffs.(I know, I know, Magic had an injury but who cares, really?)

Parker all-time ranks higher than CP3, 3 rings, Finals MVP, 4 Finals appearances, plays defense but at least he won . CP3 has no chance with OKC and Spurs being in the way in the West and Heat's superteam being in the Finals every year. CP3 is also past his prime now and has a bum knee, it's safe to say he will not win a ring as a 1st option/Finals MVP, he might win later on in his career like Payton did with the Heat, tbh.

CP3 is not even top 5 all-time right now. I actually kinda liked him in his Hornets days but he turned into a horrible flopper and a playoffs choker.

Same list I was going to post, though I would've added in Magic on top. Good list bro.

Btw Stockton also has the most steals all time too. He has like 600 more than #2 all time.

[Clipper Nation]

Btw, Tony Flopper isn't top 5 all-time either, Spurfan overrates him to an insane degree

[ambchang]

Parker is at least comparable if not better tbh

I don't think he is, the only argument people can make is "3 rings", but that is a team accomplishment. Chris Paul, at no point in his career, had a teammate like Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, or David Robinson, not to mention a coach close to the caliber of Pop.

If the Spurs were to trade Parker for Paul, the Spurs would have won the same number of, if not more rings.

Paul is the better facilitator, better scorer, better shooter. The only toss up is Parker maybe better defensively, that's it.

Don't get me wrong, Parker is a fantastic PG, and he fits very well within the Spurs system, but he is no Chris Paul.

[ambchang]

He's one of the most overrated players of the metrics era, tbh, but he's definitely in the top 4 of all-time from a peak perspective(amongst PGs), and could be as high as 2nd..

Career-wise, he's obviously nowhere near the discussion, but ranking by career is overrated anyways, tbh..

Based strictly on peak performance, Magic is the only PG that is clearly ahead of him, tbh..Oscar Robertson is probably ahead, and peak Nash is a toss-up, tbh..outside of that, Paul is probably superior to any other PG..he's better than Isiah, easily better than Stockton, Jason Kidd isn't even in the discussion, Gary Payton wouldn't thrive in today's league, etc..

The problem with Paul is that his playoff resume is incomplete, but that should change in the next few years..if the Clippers don't come close to a le, it'll be a hit on Paul's legacy, obviously..

Peak-wise, Magic craps all over Paul, there really isn't any comparison.

Oscar was clearly better (averaging a triple double for the first three seasons in the league even in the stats inflated era? Are you kidding me?), Stockton was the better passer, facilitator, shooter, Thomas was unstoppable in his prime, Payton ran the Sonics as well as Paul ran any team, and Payton is about 10x the defender, Kidd was the better defender and facilitator, though Paul was much better scoring. Nash is all offense and no defense, not to mention he was clearly a beneficiary of MDT's system, so I never really take his accomplishments seriously.

[Bill_Brasky]

Spurfan bringing up accolades when it's convenient per par

[AchillesHeel]

I don't think he is, the only argument people can make is "3 rings", but that is a team accomplishment. Chris Paul, at no point in his career, had a teammate like Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili, or David Robinson, not to mention a coach close to the caliber of Pop.

If the Spurs were to trade Parker for Paul, the Spurs would have won the same number of, if not more rings.

Paul is the better facilitator, better scorer, better shooter. The only toss up is Parker maybe better defensively, that's it.

Don't get me wrong, Parker is a fantastic PG, and he fits very well within the Spurs system, but he is no Chris Paul.

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You can't prove it, Parker 3, Paul 0, Parker EARNED those rings, especially in the 2007 Finals, being as efficient as he was. He has a Finals MVP against Lebron, CP3 doesn't. And Parker was an MVP candidate before his injury, he led the Spurs to a #1 record most of the season, when he went down, Spurs lost many games and dropped to 2nd seed. Let's not forget that.

[ambchang]

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You can't prove it, Parker 3, Paul 0, Parker EARNED those rings, especially in the 2007 Finals, being as efficient as he was. He has a Finals MVP against Lebron, CP3 doesn't. And Parker was an MVP candidate before his injury, he led the Spurs to a #1 record most of the season, when he went down, Spurs lost many games and dropped to 2nd seed. Let's not forget that.

Park 3, Paul 0 is not a proof of Parker > Paul either, otherwise, Russell will unquestionably be the GOAT, and Kobe > Duncan ... wait scratch that, 2nd banana rings don't count.

But back to the subject, Paul had a career high WS of almost 19, that is insane! Parker has NEVER EVER had a double digit WS season (though he came close a couple of times). If you want to talk about effects of a player on a team, look at the Pelicans without Paul, and Clippers before and after Paul. Gigantic difference.

[djohn2oo8]

Second-best all time? no, but he could be top 5 by the time he retires, tbh....

[Clipper Nation]

As I said, I USED to blindly defend Choke Paul (like you do with Harden), but it's crystal clear now that he's a loser

Philo is right, you are sensitive about the Rockets

[Ghazi]

Still best pg of last 15 years

[m>s]

Still best pg of last 15 years

Why u delete fb scro?

[Sean Cagney]

Still best pg of last 15 years

[Ghazi]

Why u delete fb scro?

Dont use it much anyway. May as well keep a lower profile

[100%duncan]

Parker>Paul.

[Captivus]

[TDMVPDPOY]

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You can't prove it, Parker 3, Paul 0, Parker EARNED those rings, especially in the 2007 Finals, being as efficient as he was. He has a Finals MVP against Lebron, CP3 doesn't. And Parker was an MVP candidate before his injury, he led the Spurs to a #1 record most of the season, when he went down, Spurs lost many games and dropped to 2nd seed. Let's not forget that.

u tellin me cp3 wont be able to exploit boobie gibson?

[dbreiden83080]

LOL Not even close..

[Ghazi]

Parker > Paul is an amateur take.

[Pelicans78]

Hornets would have been a lottery team if Parker was their PG.

[Clipper Nation]

Parker > Paul is an amateur take.

Both of them are equally overrated, Enrique has just had better coattails to ride....

[Ghazi]

Paul never had help in NOLA. They overachieved the year they took the Spurs to 7, and that was mostly thanks to Paul elevating peja/chandler/west that year. Hes had better squads for the Clippers but were they ever even on the top 3 of le contenders? probably not.

[spurraider21]

Parker > Paul is an amateur take.

i think in 2012 and 2013 in a vacuum Parker was the better player, but its unfair since those were Parker at his peak and Paul's peak was years earlier. big picture, i think paul > parker is clear as day though

[Clipper Nation]

Paul never had help in NOLA. They overachieved the year they took the Spurs to 7, and that was mostly thanks to Paul elevating peja/chandler/west that year. Hes had better squads for the Clippers but were they ever even on the top 3 of le contenders? probably not.

Peja, Chandler and West were more than enough help, Choke just vanished as usual in the playoffs....

[Arcadian]

Currently have him at 9th all time.

Magic
Oscar
Isiah
Stockton
Cousy
Nash
Kidd
Frazier
Paul
Payton