Spurs refuse Manu permission to play in FIBA tournament

[littlecoyotecoin]

The fact that he's under contract with the Spurs and not 'retired' makes it a hypothetical, and that puts the decision, under the current cir stances, squarely on the Spurs.

Could he walk away from his current deal? Possibly. It that an hypothetical? Absolutely.

You are saying he can't retire from the Spurs because he is under contract. Love you, too, NoNo, but get real.

[itzsoweezee]

You're pointing out the hypocrisy by implying that Spurs let him play with the injury while refusing to allow him to play with the same injury to represent his National team.

And you've got to be joking with the "Spurs ARE NOT preventing him from playing." remark, right?

Manu can go play with the national team if he wants. It will simply default his contract. It's a business decision for Manu. Is his national team play worth $7 million dollars to him?

[exstatic]

Thank goodness Duncan got pick by the spurs.

The only difference between the beatdown that Hakeem put on David, and the one that Amare put on Tim in 2005 is that in 2005, THE ING DEFENDERS STAYED ON THEIR SHOOTERS. There was no transves e freak playing off the most clutch playoff shooter over 6'9" to ever play in order to pad his rebounding stats.

[ElNono]

You are saying he can't retire from the Spurs because he is under contract. Love you, too, NoNo, but get real.

Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that retiring and playing for the NT is an hypothetical. He could choose to do that, but it's not what's going on right now.

Frankly, love you too yote, and it's a waste of time discussing this, since IMO Pop and Manu are way beyond any talks of forcing hands with threats of retirement and such.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Manu can go play with the national team if he wants. It will simply default his contract. It's a business decision for Manu. Is his national team play worth $7 million dollars to him?

It is an "OPTION" that I could quit my job, give my house away, and take my family and live in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER - but considering that that would not be a very good decision for anyone involved, it's not really a true "OPTION". But I could do it if I wanted to.

[littlecoyotecoin]

He would need to exercise that option for it NOT to be an hypothetical. Until then, he cannot play because the Spurs don't want him to play (which is fine by me).

Ok, fine. Him having the option is not a hypothetical. Him having the ability to exercise the option is not a hypothetical. The option exists. Phew. /semantics.

[littlecoyotecoin]

It is an "OPTION" that I could quit my job, give my house away, and take my family and live in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER - but considering that that would not be a very good decision for anyone involved, it's not really a true "OPTION". But I could do it if I wanted to.

So, quit your in' and get back to work, or hop in your van.

[ElNono]

Phew. /semantics.

exactly

Let's just hope he's ready for #6

[RD2191]

[32fastest]

I think it sucks. I wish Manu would make the smart decision on his own to not play. Can't really blame the dude for wanting to play for his country though.

[itzsoweezee]

That's how a contract works. You follow the terms or you're in default. Manu bargained for the contract, he had the option to guarantee unrestricted playing time with the national team when the contract was being negotiated. Likely, this would have cost millions of dollars on his part. He chose to not go that route. That was his option. So saying Manu's choices at this point are not a "true option" is complete bull .

[dabom]

exactly

Let's just hope he's ready for #6

[littlecoyotecoin]

Again - I'm not saying that I don't understand it or that I don't approve of it, but there is no denying that the hypocrisy exists. That's all I'm saying.

Everyone agrees it exists. That's why they write the checks.

[ElNono]

That's how a contract works. You follow the terms or you're in default. Manu bargained for the contract, he had the option to guarantee unrestricted playing time with the national team when the contract was being negotiated. Likely, this would have cost millions of dollars on his part. He chose to not go that route. That was his option. So saying Manu's choices at this point are not a "true option" is complete bull .

It actually doesn't work like that at all. It's all spelled out in the CBA and NBA-FIBA agreements. It's not negotiable through a player's contracts.

The Spurs are on the right here though.

[Juggity]

There were actually reports (and some posters actually pointed it out) that he was limping noticeably after Game 3 and 4 of the Finals...

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...ress-fracture/

"The fracture was discovered during a routine postseason physical, according to a league source, and began bothering the 36-year-old guard at some point during the Spurs’ run in Western Conference playoffs. By the end of the Spurs’ march to a championship, Ginobili could often be seen limping noticeably after games."

http://deadspin.com/did-manu-ginobil...rac-1599437065

"Spurs Nation narrowed down that "late in San Antonio's championship season" with a source who said Ginobili played with a stress fracture in his leg through at least the Finals. So, yes, old-ass Manu Ginobili, with a fractured leg, dunked on Chris Bosh. Damn, Manu."

I'm not disputing that he had a fracture during that period. Certainly he did. I noticed the limping as well.

All I'm disputing is that the spurs knew he had a fracture at that time as opposed to simple wear-and-tear issues.

As far as I know, the fracture was diagnosed weeks later.

[RD2191]

Didn't Jordan have a love for the game clause? Couldn't Manu of done some like that?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Everyone agrees it exists. That's why they write the checks.

Because the Spurs PAY him and argentina doesn't...

One team PAYS him to play...

One team doesn't...

That's not hypocrisy. That's called earning your paycheck.

[ElNono]

FWIW, the tournament doesn't start until Aug 30th... arguably, he could sit out for the 8 weeks the Spurs doctors recommended. The problem is that until the Spurs clear him, he can't even practice with his teammates.

[littlecoyotecoin]

Not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that retiring and playing for the NT is an hypothetical. He could choose to do that, but it's not what's going on right now.

Frankly, love you too yote, and it's a waste of time discussing this, since IMO Pop and Manu are way beyond any talks of forcing hands with threats of retirement and such.

But, you keep telling me the OPTION is a hypothetical. The option is not. He does have the option to play even if he would end up in court over it. Of course, we know this won't happen for reasons you've already stated.

[FireMicoHalili]

Everyone agrees it exists. That's why they write the checks.

please stop kicking the corpse buddy, it's disrespectful

[Kindergarten Cop]

So, quit your in' and get back to work, or hop in your van.

Stay classy.

[dabom]

Didn't Jordan have a love for the game clause? Couldn't Manu of done some like that?

I think he'd get laughed at.

[itzsoweezee]

It actually doesn't work like that at all. It's all spelled out in the CBA and NBA-FIBA agreements. It's not negotiable through a player's contracts.

The Spurs are on the right here though.

I thought the CBA said teams couldn't prevent players from playing with their national teams?

[Mikeanaro]

Didn't Jordan have a love for the game clause? Couldn't Manu of done some like that?

Maybe that clause doesnt include international playing stuff is just for playing pickup games in a gym or something, maybe Manu is not that clever.

[chasky]

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