NBA: Still waiting for posters to name me 10 players better than Kevin Love in the league,

[Cry Havoc]

George does nothing on offense that makes him a top 10 player. Dude gets overrated like crazy just because he played next to Lance Stephenson.

Holy , could you be more of a hater?

Paul George 21.7 PPG
Lance Stephenson 13.8 PPG

Yeah, George is really just getting towed in Stephenson's wake.

Great defense getting completely ignored in Houston like usual.

[KL2]

KD doesn't play defense, an occasional block that goes out of bounds right back to the team and a steal, that's it. Ibaka is their real MVP, anybody gets burned, there he is at the rim. And Ibaka doesn't even have to block shots, just be there, intimidation goes a looong way with shot blocking. A once easy layup/dunk now becomes a tough angled layup high off the glass. Or they won't even attempt it, instead a team will go into jump shooting mode.

That's key to beating teams, take away all high % shots with your shot blockers, give them low % shots, teams have used it for years against SA.

[djohn2oo8]

Debatable at the very least. George is a very good offensive player and an elite defensive player. Griffin is an elite offensive player and an average to below average defensive player. George obviously isn't better NOW because his leg is in two pieces, and who knows if he'll ever be the same again.

Griffin's impressed the out of me. I love his game. But he's still completely ing lost on defense. George impacts both sides of the ball. If Kawhi plays next season like he did in the Finals, he'll be right around top 5 in the league as well. Long, athletic, two way players that can get stops on d and score from anywhere are the future of the NBA.

No it is not debateable at all. Griffin is an efficient anchor to his team. George can't even dribble and chucks the ball at a 42% pace and is not effcient at all.

[Cry Havoc]

KD doesn't play defense, an occasional block that goes out of bounds right back to the team and a steal, that's it. Ibaka is their real MVP, anybody gets burned, there he is at the rim. And Ibaka doesn't even have to block shots, just be there, intimidation goes a looong way with shot blocking. A once easy layup/dunk now becomes a tough angled layup high off the glass. Or they won't even attempt it, instead a team will go into jump shooting mode.

That's key to beating teams, take away all high % shots with your shot blockers, give them low % shots, teams have used it for years against SA.

KD has actually become an adequate defender. Not good, and certainly not better than LeBron as the stats would suggest, but he knows how to stay in front of his man. Ibaka is a very good rim protector but I have overall misgivings about his ability to work well when the other team has weapons that stretch the D. It was no fluke that the Spurs opened up the floor in game 5 and absolutely eviscerated the "elite" defense of OKC. Ibaka is only good when a smaller guy is driving at him. I think he's really weak on rotations that are away from the rim and can be exploited.

Back on topic, KD has improved on defense by leaps and bounds -- which is easy to do when you really suck at it. But he's still the MVP of that team. Take him out and they'd be first round fodder in the West instead of threats to lose to LeBron in the Finals every year.

[Cry Havoc]

No it is not debateable at all. Griffin is an efficient anchor to his team. George can't even dribble and chucks the ball at a 42% pace and is not effcient at all.

Anchor? Wtf who has EVER called Griffin the anchor for the Clippers when they have DEANDRE ING JORDAN guarding the post, one of the best shot blockers in the league? Meanwhile on offense, Griffin has the best PG in the league feeding him. Man, life's rough.

I suppose Asik was the anchor for the Rockets last season.

By comparison, George had to a carry a broken s of a team last season on both sides of the ball since Hibbert decided to apparently get lost in a fugue state. He's an 83% career free throw shooter, well into the realm of what good shooters shoot. The 2nd best player on his team in the playoffs was a dude who made more headlines blowing in another dude's ear than with his play OR a broken down version of David West.

But do go ahead and compare post players with wing players some more for FG%. TOSB Duncan shot 49% from the field last season, worst of his career, which obviously means Harden is a chucking scrub.

[djohn2oo8]

Holy , could you be more of a hater?

Paul George 21.7 PPG
Lance Stephenson 13.8 PPG

Yeah, George is really just getting towed in Stephenson's wake.

Great defense getting completely ignored in Houston like usual.

PG - 21ppg On 17 shots, 42% FG, 45% on 2PT attempts, 3.5 Assists, 6.8 Rebounds

LS- 13.8 PPG, 49% FG, 54% on 2PT attempts, 4.6 assists, 7.2 Rebounds.

Oh, and LeBron didn't even need to spend most of his time guarding George. Wonder why. You can see who is more efficient.

[djohn2oo8]

Anchor? Wtf who has EVER called Griffin the anchor for the Clippers when they have DEANDRE ING JORDAN guarding the post, one of the best shot blockers in the league? Meanwhile on offense, Griffin has the best PG in the league feeding him. Man, life's rough.

I suppose Asik was the anchor for the Rockets last season.

By comparison, George had to a carry a broken s of a team last season on both sides of the ball since Hibbert decided to apparently get lost in a fugue state. He's an 83% career free throw shooter, well into the realm of what good shooters shoot. The 2nd best player on his team in the playoffs was a dude who made more headlines blowing in another dude's ear than with his play OR a broken down version of David West.

But do go ahead and compare post players with wing players some more for FG%. TOSB Duncan shot 49% from the field last season, worst of his career, which obviously means Harden is a chucking scrub.

You obviously don't understand what efficient anchor means. Not even going to debate this scrub take.

[Cry Havoc]

PG - 21ppg On 17 shots, 42% FG, 45% on 2PT attempts, 3.5 Assists, 6.8 Rebounds

LS- 13.8 PPG, 49% FG, 54% on 2PT attempts, 4.6 assists, 7.2 Rebounds.

Oh, and LeBron didn't even need to spend most of his time guarding George. Wonder why. You can see who is more efficient.

You've made a lot of posts in this thread talking about the 10 best players in the league.

For some reason, you haven't mentioned defense once unless prompted. That's odd, don't you think?

You would think if Lance was so elite on offense with such a good coaching staff that they would find him a way to get the ball more often. Oh wait, that didn't happen.

[Cry Havoc]

You obviously don't understand what efficient anchor means. Not even going to debate this scrub take.

Jordan scored 11 points per game last year on 68% shooting. Therefore he's a "more efficient anchor" than Griffin who's a chucking scrub.

[Cry Havoc]

PG - 21ppg On 17 shots, 42% FG, 45% on 2PT attempts, 3.5 Assists, 6.8 Rebounds

LS- 13.8 PPG, 49% FG, 54% on 2PT attempts, 4.6 assists, 7.2 Rebounds.

Oh, and LeBron didn't even need to spend most of his time guarding George. Wonder why. You can see who is more efficient.

George scores 21.7 on 17 and you call that terrible.

I notice how you didn't put Lance's shot attempts into the equation. Hmm, wonder why that is?

Oh. Because he's scored 13.8 on 11.2 FGAs.

[djohn2oo8]

You've made a lot of posts in this thread talking about the 10 best players in the league.

For some reason, you haven't mentioned defense once unless prompted. That's odd, don't you think?

You would think if Lance was so elite on offense with such a good coaching staff that they would find him a way to get the ball more often. Oh wait, that didn't happen.

Yet George had a usage rate of 28.3% and had an offensive win share of 4.4

[Cry Havoc]

Yet George had a usage rate of 28.3% and had an offensive win share of 4.4

Rocket fan still talking about offense only. You let us know when that gets you out of the first round.

[Clipper Nation]

I like George but "George > Griffin" is up there with " > Montana" for dumbest takes of 2014

[djohn2oo8]

George scores 21.7 on 17 and you call that terrible.

I notice how you didn't put Lance's shot attempts into the equation. Hmm, wonder why that is?

Oh. Because he's scored 13.8 on 11.2 FGAs.

49% Shooting. So, if he puts up 11 shots, which we will say are 2PA, and makes 5, or 6 out of 11, that is 10 and 12 points right there, when he produces 13. Therefore he makes half his shots and produces the expected results, meaning if you increase his shot attempts, he will continue to produce efficiently. Your takes

[djohn2oo8]

Rocket fan still talking about offense only. You let us know when that gets you out of the first round.

You're the one who said George is a two way player when he is horrible on offense. That's not a 2 way player, just like Harden isn't.

[Cry Havoc]

49% Shooting. So, if he puts up 11 shots, which we will say are 2PA, and makes 5, or 6 out of 11, that is 10 and 12 points right there, when he produces 13. Therefore he makes half his shots and produces the expected results, meaning if you increase his shot attempts, he will continue to produce efficiently. Your takes

Evidently Rocket fan thinks that increasing shot frequency will not affect the quality of shots taken, nor drive down the shot percentage at all.

This just in, Kobe could take 80 shots per game and still average 44% for his career.

Your basketball knowledge.

[Cry Havoc]

I like George but "George > Griffin" is up there with " > Montana" for dumbest takes of 2014

Clipper fan getting his Clipper fan on. Griffin is a defender. Sorry to say. Like his game but he's a lost little boy on D.

[Cry Havoc]

You're the one who said George is a two way player when he is horrible on offense. That's not a 2 way player, just like Harden isn't.

22PPG on a team with no other viable threats in the starting lineup is horrible on offense. K.

George would be your 2nd best offensive player if he joined you today.

[djohn2oo8]

Evidently Rocket fan thinks that increasing shot frequency will not affect the quality of shots taken, nor drive down the shot percentage at all.

This just in, Kobe could take 80 shots per game and still average 44% for his career.

Your basketball knowledge.

Stephenson increase his 2PT attempts from 5.3 to 8.8 last year, his shooting percentage actually going up from 52% to 54%, when you break that down for dummies means he became more efficient with an increased amount of shot attempts

[djohn2oo8]

22PPG on a team with no other viable threats in the starting lineup is horrible on offense. K.

George would be your 2nd best offensive player if he joined you today.

He only took 17 shot attempts last year, that is not an insane about to be that inefficient.

And When he is less efficient than Harden and Howard. Christ you need to take remedial math

[Cry Havoc]

Stephenson increase his 2PT attempts from 5.3 to 8.8 last year, his shooting percentage actually going up from 52% to 54%, when you break that down for dummies means he became more efficient with an increased amount of shot attempts

Ah, so obviously if he took 100 shots per game it would be guaranteed to continually increase his efficiency! Lance Stephenson is suddenly the best offensive player in the league!

Dude. You can extrapolate imaginary statistics all you want. It doesn't mean anything.

[Cry Havoc]

He only took 17 shot attempts last year, that is not an insane about to be that inefficient.

And When he is less efficient than Harden and Howard. Christ you need to take remedial math

Again, on a team with no other offensive threats. Howard would be the 2nd best player on the Pacers on offense by a WIDE margin, and that's saying something.

It's almost like you think these things occur in a vacuum and someone with John Stockton on his team would get the same looks as a guy who's got George Hill running point.

[rogues]

Normally, when I see Cry got trying to talk basketball and not post like a typical flamboyant lib I skip over his re ed posts altogether..but the ones in this thread are on par with Frizzle's.

[djohn2oo8]

Also, Stephenson's quality of shots were better, averaging a distance of 12.2 ft compared to george chucking at 15.8 ft

[Cry Havoc]

Also, Stephenson's quality of shots were better, averaging a distance of 12.2 ft compared to george chucking at 15.8 ft

Gee, it's almost like teams are teeing off on George because they know no one else in that starting lineup is going to do anything to hurt them.