***Official 2014-2015 Cleveland Browns Thread*** (sponsored by we got Football)

[JoeTait75]

The Browns do this year after year after year because of stupid moves like this one.

No, the Browns do this year after year because a.) they usually don't have a lot of talent and b.) they're constantly building for 2-3 years from now and sending the message to their players that it doesn't matter if they win or not.

And they've played the old "We're not going to win anyway so we might as well throw the young guy out there and see how he does" game. That's how they've ended up with guys like Charlie Frye and Colt McCoy as the starters. I'll let you know when that strategy pays dividends.

And no, I'm not just going to assume they'll be 0-3 after three weeks.

[Raven]

The 'starter' had two completions for 16 yds last game. He didn't complete a pass until the 3-minute mark of the second quarter, the other was a lateral pass to end the half.

Think what you want about Football but he outplayed that scrub both games. Pettine had his mind made up unless Football absolutely dominated. Let's not paint it out to be as Football losing a race here tbh.

hoyer at least proved last year he can make this team win and also he is coming off a torn acl, making it even more ridiculous that johnee can't beat him..And obviously you agree he did not prove any of those points wrong.

[Raven]

No, the Browns do this year after year because a.) they usually don't have a lot of talent and b.) they're constantly building for 2-3 years from now and sending the message to their players that it doesn't matter if they win or not.

And they've played the old "We're not going to win anyway so we might as well throw the young guy out there and see how he does" game. That's how they've ended up with guys like Charlie Frye and Colt McCoy as the starters. I'll let you know when that strategy pays dividends.

And no, I'm not just going to assume they'll be 0-3 after three weeks.

cleveland actually has a ton of talent this year.. the wr corp is ty, but other than that there's plenty to like.

[JoeTait75]

cleveland actually has a ton of talent this year.. the wr corp is ty, but other than that there's plenty to like.

At any rate they have enough talent to not go into the season just assuming they're going to win 4 or 5 games.

[Pelicans78]

My point is................they spent their first pick on the guy, so what does that tell us? If they'd taken him in the third round as a project, cool sit him and let it all soak in, that wasn't the case. If they want to win right now you don't waste your first pick on a project. They had nobody with over 5 sacks last season, if they wanna win right now they needed a pass rusher.

We don't know what he can do, and we won't as long as it hangs on the sideline. He wasn't taken that high to be a backup. He's going to have to play sometime, might as well get as much experience as possible in 2014.

You can start a rookie and if he s up no big deal he's a rookie. Ok bring in the vet. You can't start the vet and then replace him with a rookie, if the rookie now s up you bring back the vet you benched..........that would suck.

But he wasn't their first pick. They traded up in the later first round to get him. If they felt he was an immediate need, they would have drafted him with their higher first round pick. Obviously they felt he wasn't a franchise type QB, but was a safer choice for a later first round pick they traded up to get. So its still ok for them to sit him and let him watch and develop.

[Avante]

No, the Browns do this year after year because a.) they usually don't have a lot of talent and b.) they're constantly building for 2-3 years from now and sending the message to their players that it doesn't matter if they win or not.

And they've played the old "We're not going to win anyway so we might as well throw the young guy out there and see how he does" game. That's how they've ended up with guys like Charlie Frye and Colt McCoy as the starters. I'll let you know when that strategy pays dividends.

And no, I'm not just going to assume they'll be 0-3 after three weeks.

So you see Frye and McCoy on the same level as Manziel? Why?

Don't let...the Browns are my team....get in the way here. The Browns haven't won in Pitt in over 10 years, they will lose that game. Do you really think a team searching for a QB is beating Drew Brees? They are 1-5 vs Baltimore since 2012, they win this one? Could easily be 0-3.

Hoyer will go 0-3 now what?

[Pelicans78]

During Rodgers' rookie season, Favre threw 29 picks and had a 70 passer rating. Basically he was Brian Hoyer that year.

They're probably gonna be 0-3 with the rookie starting. He's not very good at this point.

[Avante]

But he wasn't their first pick. They traded up in the later first round to get him. If they felt he was an immediate need, they would have drafted him with their higher first round pick. Obviously they felt he wasn't a franchise type QB, but was a safer choice for a later first round pick they traded up to get. So its still ok for them to sit him and let him watch and develop.

DUH..Avante. That's right a fact I'd forgotten about.

The bottom line is a team needs their QB to be their leader, not a QB just threading water waiting to go under. There is no doubt of any kind Manziel will get a shot at starter this season, so why wait?

[JoeTait75]

So you see Frye and McCoy on the same level as Manziel? Why?

Don't let...the Browns are my team....get in the way here. The Browns haven't won in Pitt in over 10 years, they will lose that game. Do you really think a team searching for a QB is beating Drew Brees? They are 1-5 vs Baltimore since 2012, they win this one? Could easily be 0-3.

Hoyer will go 0-3 now what?

The last time they played Drew Brees they beat him in the Superdome with Colt McCoy starting. This is the NFL, not Kennesaw State vs. Florida State. Is it likely they're going to beat their first three opponents? Not especially. But it isn't out of the question.

Again, you go with the guy that gives you the best chance to win, always.

[Pelicans78]

DUH..Avante. That's right a fact I'd forgotten about.

The bottom line is a team needs their QB to be their leader, not a QB just threading water waiting to go under. There is no doubt of any kind Manziel will get a shot at starter this season, so why wait?

Because you could do more harm than good by rushing him too soon. He needs a lot of development that doesn't occur on gameday like learning the playbook, getting stronger, and becoming more mature. He won't learn those things getting beat up on the field.

[Raven]

DUH..Avante. That's right a fact I'd forgotten about.

The bottom line is a team needs their QB to be their leader, not a QB just threading water waiting to go under. There is no doubt of any kind Manziel will get a shot at starter this season, so why wait?

Well, you know, he may learn the playbook..

[Avante]

The last time they played Drew Brees they beat him in the Superdome with Colt McCoy starting. This is the NFL, not Kennesaw State vs. Florida State. Is it likely they're going to beat their first three opponents? Not especially. But it isn't out of the question.

Again, you go with the guy that gives you the best chance to win, always.

There was a reason the Saints were favored by 12.5 in that game, the Browns were 1-5.

Ok man lets see how....you always go with.....works out for the Browns.

[Avante]

Well, you know, he may learn the playbook..

It's not about that it's about not wanting a team wondering about who their QB is going to be. What happens if after week two Hoyer has lost both games and looked like doing it, now what?

[JoeTait75]

There was a reason the Saints were favored by 12.5 in that game, the Browns were 1-5.

Ok man lets see how....you always go with.....works out for the Browns.

So how do you sell that to the players? "Well fellas, we just want to let you know that we're not going with the best option at the most important position. We're going with the rook that is late to meetings and flips off the opposing bench because it, we're not going to win anyway." That's a great way to build a winning culture, Avante, really.

[Fabbs]

Favre was 35 years old, like I say a whole different deal than what we have at Cleveland. No doubt the Packers needed to start thinking about life after Favre. The Browns aren't thinking about life after Brian Hoyer.

The Browns are absolutely thinking about life after Brian Hoyer.

If Hoyer excells and remains the starter, good for him.

99.99 Johny F is going to be starting within 3 years. Probably more like next year and good possibility of this year.

[Avante]

So how do you sell that to the players? "Well fellas, we just want to let you know that we're not going with the best option at the most important position. We're going with the rook that is late to meetings and flips off the opposing bench because it, we're not going to win anyway." That's a great way to build a winning culture, Avante, really.

Then there's always...

Ok guys here's the deal, the Pats, Steelers and Cards didn't want him and he has thrown almost as many INT's as TD's but things will be different now, forget the fact nobody wanted him coming out of college either. So what if we sit a Heisman Award winner a first round pick who won in the mighty SEC, he flipped a bird and was late to a meeting, as all of you know none of you have ever done that. We want to win right now so there is little doubt a castoff who went undrafted is our best bet. Always better to sit Heisman winners and first round picks with an at ude, we want a guy with no at ude.

Don't forget guys as a senior at Michigan State our boy had a 51.0 completion % and 9 TD's to go with 9 INT's, are we ready or what?

[JoeTait75]

Then there's always...

Ok guys here's the deal, the Pats, Steelers and Cards didn't want him and he has thrown almost as many INT's as TD's but things will be different now, forget the fact nobody wanted him coming out of college either. So what if we sit a Heisman Award winner a first round pick who won in the mighty SEC, he flipped a bird and was late to a meeting, as all of you know none of you have ever done that. We want to win right now so there is little doubt a castoff who went undrafted is our best bet. Always better to sit Heisman winners and first round picks with an at ude, we want a guy with no at ude.

Don't forget guys as a senior at Michigan State our boy had a 51.0 completion % and 9 TD's to go with 9 INT's, are we ready or what?

I guarantee you nobody in that locker room gives a rat's ass about Johnny Manziel's Heisman Trophy. Or that he beat Alabama two years ago. Or that Brian Hoyer played a bad game in the 2007 Emerald Bowl or whatever.

Again... if Brian Hoyer gives you the best chance to win football games right now he should start, full stop.

[Avante]

I guarantee you nobody in that locker room gives a rat's ass about Johnny Manziel's Heisman Trophy. Or that he beat Alabama two years ago. Or that Brian Hoyer played a bad game in the 2007 Emerald Bowl or whatever.

Again... if Brian Hoyer gives you the best chance to win football games right now he should start, full stop.

And I guarantee the reason Manziel was taken in the first round and Hoyer went undrafted was all about Heisman/Alabama etc vs nothing. And don't think these players don't know that.

How do we know Hoyer gives them the best chance to win right now? Stop acting like that's a proven fact, it's not. The guy has done nothing ever to deserve that kind of talk. The Browns were 4-12 last season, so he stands the best chance of winning 4 games? Isn't that why Manziel is there so they can win more than 4 games?

[JoeTait75]

How do we know Hoyer gives them the best chance to win right now? Stop acting like that's a proven fact, it's not. The guy has done nothing ever to deserve that kind of talk. The Browns were 4-12 last season, so he stands the best chance of winning 4 games? Isn't that why Manziel is there?

He won two football games as the starter last year, which is two more than Manziel has won. Look, it's all a moot point. Hoyer has already been named the starter, so apparently I'm not the only one who thinks he gives them the best chance of winning right now.

[Clipper Nation]

Old got is salty as .... the reality is that Johnny 8-Ball is a one-read gimmick who can't read a defense, can't make plays from the pocket, and has the emotional maturity of a two-year-old.... he has "Ryan Leaf 2.0" written all over him....

It's the Brian Football era in Cleveland, deal with it....

[Avante]

He won two football games as the starter last year, which is two more than Manziel has won. Look, it's all a moot point. Hoyer has already been named the starter, so apparently I'm not the only one who thinks he gives them the best chance of winning right now.

The Steelers dumped Johnny Unitas, the Raiders paid Jamarcus Russell how much? I could go on and on and on, Ryan Leaf, Heath Schuler etc etc etc.

Ok man these coachs always know what's best, hahaha!!!!!!

[Avante]

Old got is salty as .... the reality is that Johnny 8-Ball is a one-read gimmick who can't read a defense, can't make plays from the pocket, and has the emotional maturity of a two-year-old.... he has "Ryan Leaf 2.0" written all over him....

It's the Brian Football era in Cleveland, deal with it....

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...that was college. Obviously the guy can't read defenses and is just a gimmick....hahaha!!!!!!!

Let me me guess you really do believe Brian Hoyer will be the Browns starting QB this season don't ya skippy?

[spurraider21]

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...that was college. Obviously the guy can't read defenses and is just a gimmick....hahaha!!!!!!!

Let me me guess you really do believe Brian Hoyer will be the Browns starting QB this season don't ya skippy?

Tebow and Russell are both near the top for career completion % in SEC history. College statistical production is not how you predict NfL success

[Avante]

Tebow and Russell are both near the top for career completion % in SEC history. College statistical production is not how you predict NfL success

It's exactly how you "predict" NFL success since you have nothing else to go with. It's those college stats that determine who gets drafted here and there.

Tell me why was Clowney taken as the number one pick, yep.....college success. They saw the potential just like Manziel.

You'll never read/hear.....well he sucked at BYU, but is tailor made for the pros.....trust me.

[JoeTait75]

It's those college stats that determine who gets drafted here and there.

If that's the case Timmy Chang and Colt Brennan would have been top-five picks.