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    Link?

    Crofl The Guardian ethering Uncle Tom.
    I'd much prefer that Obama do whatever the Congress allows him to do, iow, Cons utionally, but seeing how fast House Repugs have "fixed" the VA mess ...

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    “Now let’s make two things clear: ISIL is not Islamic,”

    Why ISIS Is Not, In Fact, Islamic

    Conservatives reacted harshly duh!!

    to President Obama’s claim on Wednesday night that the Islamic State in Iraq and Greater Syria (ISIS) “is not Islamic,” accusing the commander-in-chief of naiveté and ignorance. “What kindergartner briefs the President on terrorism?” Ron Christie, a GOP strategist tweeted. “ISIS says it’s Islamic, lots of people say it’s Islamic, only the president won’t,” George Will told Fox News shortly after the speech.


    But the full context of Obama’s remark points to an important distinction between Islam and the extremist ideology that’s sweeping parts of Iraq and Syria. “No religion condones the killing of innocents, and the vast majority of ISIL’s victims have been Muslim,” Obama said. “ISIL is a terrorist organization, pure and simple. And it has no vision other than the slaughter of all who stand in its way.”

    Indeed, even from the viewpoint of a casual observer, ISIS is an abomination to Islam.

    Explosions tend to capture the media’s attention more than peaceful coexistence, and a minuscule minority of extremist groups claiming to be Islamic have exploited this fact as a way to reinvent Islam as a “violent” religion.

    But just because you shout God’s name while committing murder doesn’t make your actions righteous.

    Islam, as millions of Muslims can attest, is a peaceful religion that calls on its followers to choose community over conflict, or, as it says in Surah al-Hujurat of the Qur’an (49:13): “O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise [each other]).”


    But ISIS clearly has little regard for this or other fundamental tenets of Islam. They have sparked the rage of Iraqi Muslims by carelessly blowing up copies of the Qur’an, and they have killed their fellow Muslims, be they Sunni or Shia.

    Even extremist Muslims who engage in warfare have strict rules of engagement and prohibitions against harming women and children, but ISIS has opted to ignore even this by slaughtering innocent youth and using rape and sexual slavery as a weapon.

    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/...t-not-islamic/

    Of course, the above is WAY TOO SUBTLE for you bubbas and your knees jerking everytime Fox, etc tells you jerks to jerk.

    ISIS is Islamic like Irish Republicans in Northern Ireland "troubles" were Catholic.

    And of course, the "conservatives" who claim to be "Christian" in a "Christian" God's-own-favored country were 100% silent when dubya and head Christian-ly invaded Iraq-for-oil and caused 100Ks of injuries and deaths and CREATED ISIL.

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    What no thoughts on his plan to take us back into war?

    This forum sure is missing the good ole days of having a Republican in office for everyone to criticize.
    Meh. Bush was mediocre, other than his handling of the Iraq occupation, which was downright criminally negligent. There were even some things he did that I liked.

    Obama's overall strategy was cautious and risk-averse, much like a lot of his other gambits.

    I have little doubt, and that was borne out almost instantly that whatever he decided the GOP would criticize it, just because he said it.

    Much of Bush's criticisms by the Democrats was just as vacuous and vapid, but the sheer vitriol is far greater, due to the right-wing echo chamber, and conservative info-bubble.

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    "Bush's criticisms by the Democrats was just as vacuous and vapid"

    like what, Mr False Equivalence?

    "Iraq occupation, which was downright criminally negligent." his INVASION was criminal



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    John Boehner: Republicans doubt Obama’s plan can destroy Islamic State

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/1...e+Raw+Story%29

    So what's flaccid Boner's plan?



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    lol we are beginning a new multi-year military campaign that involves going back into Iraq and now getting involved in Syria's civil war and Obama fanboy says...

    My how things have changed.

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    The Book That Really Explains ISIS (Hint: It’s Not The Qur’an)

    In 2004, a PDF of a book en led “The Management Of Savagery” was posted online and circulated among Sunni jihadist circles. Scholars soon noticed that the book, which was published by an unknown author writing under the pseudonym “Abu Bakr Naji,” had become popular among many extremist groups such as al-Shabaab in Somalia, and was eventually translated into English for study in 2006 by William McCants, now the director of the Project on U.S. Relations with the Islamic World at the Brookings Ins ution. The book, McCants told ThinkProgress, was written as an alternative to the decentralized, “leaderless” approach to jihadism popular in the mid-2000s. Instead of using isolated attacks on super powers all over the globe, “The Management Of Savagery” offered an expansive plan for how a group of Muslim militants could violently seize land and establish their own self-governing Islamic state — much like ISIS is trying to do today.

    “[The book] provides a roadmap for how to establish a caliphate,” McCants said. “It lays out how to create small pockets of territorial control … and how to move from there to a caliphate. It would not surprise me if the book were popular among the crew in Iraq [ISIS].”

    McCants was quick to note that while “The Management of Savagery” is “the only text out there that really addresses the question of how [jihadists] can capture and hold territory,” the black-clad troopers in Iraq and Syria haven’t taken all of Naji’s advice to heart. ISIS has clearly ignored the author’s recommendation that fighters abide by traditional Islamic rules of engagement, such as refraining from violence against women or children. Among other horrors, reports abound of ISIS regularly using rape and sexual slavery as a weapon.


    “The Islamic State stands apart from other [extremist] organizations,” McCants said. “They are not bound by the structures of traditional Islamic warfare.”


    Nevertheless, other analysts, such as Lawrence Right of The New Yorker, former MI-6 agent Alastair Crooke, and Terrence McCoy of the Washington Post, have also observed echoes of the book in the actions of ISIS. They argue that while ISIS leaders haven’t openly acknowledged the influence of Naji’s writing, their machinations in the Middle East — especially how the group exploits destabilized regions and stokes intra-religious conflict — closely match several aspects of Naji’s plan. “The Management Of Savagery,” for instance, recommends inciting violence between Muslims and stretching the military forces of a target nation by temporarily laying claim to energy sources. This destabilization is supposed to create “regions of savagery” — or true chaos wrought by war — where s -shocked inhabitants willingly submit to an invading force such as ISIS to end conflict. This, Naji argues, eventually leads to the establishment of an extremist version of a Sunni caliphate.


    “The key idea in the book is that you need to carry out attacks on a local government and sensitive infrastructure — tourism and energy in particular,” McCants said. “That causes a local government to pull in security resources to protect that infrastructure that will open up pockets where there is no government — a security vacuum.”


    ISIS has operated similarly in Iraq and Syria, using a divide-and-conquer approach to recruit followers and take cities. It has exploited the conflict between Sunnis and Shias in most of its land holdings, but especially in Iraq, where militants from both religious groups have been locked in various levels of armed conflict since the U.S. invaded in the early 2000s. ISIS has also targeted important power sources such as Iraq’s largest dam near Mosul, which their soldiers temporarily captured in August. Similar to Naji’s prediction, the move pressured the U.S. to launch airstrikes as Iraqi forces mustered their forces to reclaim the dam, a strategy that is being repeated now that ISIS has laid claim to the Haditha Dam near Baghdad.


    ISIS’s grandiose use of violence is also foreshadowed in Naji’s writing. He dedicates an entire chapter to “Using Violence” in the book, explaining that it can be an effective tool for volunteer recruitment and instilling fear, noting, “Those who have not boldly entered wars during their lifetimes do not understand the role of violence and coarseness against the infidels in combat and media battles.” The author makes several references to the influence and power of media in general, adding that violent communication is crucial part of frightening an enemy.


    “It behooves us to make [our enemies] think one thousand times before attacking us,” the book reads.


    http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/...not-the-quran/



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    the oblamo semen shield has arrived

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    Guess who?

    Republicans criticize Obama for not wanting enough war



    Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said “the president really doesn’t have a grasp for how serious the threat from ISIS is” on CNN.“The President’s plan will likely be insufficient to destroy ISIS, which is the world’s largest, richest terrorist army,” McCain said in a subsequent statement with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.).

    It is also a cause for concern that the president appears to view the effort against ISIL as an isolated counterterrorism campaign, rather than as what it must be: an all-out effort to destroy an enemy that has declared a holy war against America and the principles for which we stand.

    Of course, as long as Republicans are objecting to something about Obama's plans, they canstick with the path Rep. Jack Kingston recently explained:

    "Republicans don’t want to change anything. We like the path we’re on now. We can denounce it if it goes bad, and praise it if it goes well and ask what took him so long."

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/0...8Daily+Kos%29#

    Cheney lectures Obama on the Islamic State and the ‘war on terror’




    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/1...e+Raw+Story%29

    so, head, who destabilized the M/E and started/botched the GWOT?




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    Coming from boutons and thinkprogress I was expecting this...
    SB, slapped, yet again

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    The Four Most Depressing Moments in Obama's Speech

    http://www.newsweek.com/four-most-de...-speech-269688



    In a perfect world, Obama would have had a phone on his podium during the speech and called the Saudis: “Hey, can I put you on speaker? Look, hey, is there any way you could take the lead on this one? We did the two Iraq wars and are dealing with Iranian nukes. Can you field this ISIS? Cool, thanks.”

    Instead we got a confident-sounding but ultimately dispiriting address. Obama may have presented a plan and reassured us that the Islamic State (IS) problem was manageable. But Obama’s confidence rings as hollow as George W. Bush’s. In fact, just as 43 often cited Saddam’s “rape rooms” 44 invoked rape, and while it’s true and tragic in both cases it’s also true in Sudan and Congo. Indeed, Obama’s “degrade and destroy” sounds a lot like Bush’s “shock and awe.” To be fair, Obama didn’t hype the threat to the homeland, to use that grim word. There was no talk of nukes, only the fact that ISIS had threatened us and might at some point down the road be able to actually hurt us. Still, the speech was depressing—not just because the president faces such a complicated situation but also because he engaged in rhetorical tricks.

    Somalia and Yemen are successes? Good lord. At least when Bill Clinton famously pointed to Bangladesh as an economic model for micro businesses, he had a point, albeit one that seemed jaw-dropping at the time. It’s not that anyone expects Somalia and Yemen to be Swiss-like after hearing from our drones and special forces. But Somalia is utterly chaotic and Yemen is still terrorist rich. We haven’t destroyed any groups there, only clipped them at times which barely counts as degrading their organizations.

    A broad-based coalition? Let’s see. There’s a lot of reason to doubt that the countries we need the most will do much. Turkey is the transit point for would-be terrorists who want to join ISIS. Maybe John Kerry will work a miracle, but this coalition, even with encouraging signals from the Saudis, feels more like George W. Bush’s than his father’s.

    The myth of moderates we can support. The history of post-World War II America is filled with efforts to find moderates amidst chaos. Graham Greene’s novel, The Quiet American, chronicles this naivety in Vietnam. We sought such moderates in South and Central America and elsewhere. Maybe the Syrian Free Army are all democrats, led by John Adamses. At this point we’d settle for them being better than Assad or ISIS. Would you bet on them being freedom fighters?

    What Iraqi Army? Um, we just spent countless dollars to train the Iraqi army for the past ten years. And what did it get us? A force that collapsed when ISIS rolled across Iraq. Maybe, as Obama said, there will be a new inclusive government in Iraq and that will make for a stronger national army. But what makes us think that we can get this worthless army can now be turned into the essential fighting force that Obama touted? Could that possibly be done with a few hundred more troops/advisors? Please.

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    Much of Bush's criticisms by the Democrats was just as vacuous and vapid, but the sheer vitriol is far greater, due to the right-wing echo chamber, and conservative info-bubble.
    Meh, not really.

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    a couple of beheadings turned a black pot smoking hawaiian into John Mccain

    what a joke

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    Could be worse fellas. If OJ Simpson had happened today, Obama would have declared war on all NFL running backs

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    lol we are beginning a new multi-year military campaign that involves going back into Iraq and now getting involved in Syria's civil war and Obama fanboy says...



    My how things have changed.
    We are not going back in anywhere.
    Obama has made this war numb to ordinary Americans.
    Drones, planes, missiles fired from boats.
    We are so far removed from any REAL war.
    Do you fear getting drafted?

    This may be the biggest tragedy, it's sanitized warfare for us.

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    We are not going back in anywhere.
    Obama has made this war numb to ordinary Americans.
    Drones, planes, missiles fired from boats.
    We are so far removed from any REAL war.
    Do you fear getting drafted?

    This may be the biggest tragedy, it's sanitized warfare for us.
    Obama? still blaming him for the storm the Repugs started 13 years ago and didn't finish?

    The side effect of dropping the draft and going to a professional army was that 99% of Americans of fighting age don't ever have to fight, no risks.

    The professional, voluntary military is the rest of America's (actually the MIC's) mercenaries, hired by the corporatocracy to maintain Imperial America's economic empire.

    I still think the VN war would not have been so vehemently, and successfully, protested if there wouldn't have been conscription.

    We don't see any VN-type protests against the GWOT because the would-be-protesters aren't being conscripted.

    And of course the propaganda skills of the MIC, feds, media, corporatocracy are much more sophisticated now.

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    Republicans trying to make George Bush seem like a genius now, smh

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    Republicans trying to make George Bush seem like a genius now, smh

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    bu..bu..bu..bu..bu...but it's all George Bush's fault.

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    bu..bu..bu..bu..bu...but it's all George Bush's fault.
    CROFL, how is it not when he took out their secular leader that crushed all those Islamic gots?

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    CROFL, how is it not when he took out their secular leader that crushed all those Islamic gots?
    because Obama said...



    sovereign, stable, self reliant

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    because Obama said...

    No way he believed that. Just said that to get out of Bush's cluster .

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    No way he believed that. Just said that to get out of Bush's cluster .
    Doesn't matter... he said it, he declared victory, he took credit for the victory...he owns what is happening now. Now he's getting us back into a cluster .

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