Baynes Thinks He's Worth $2M a Year

[wildchild]

So we'll lose Baynes but still keep Ayres? Kiwi Adams will eat Ayres alive...

At least Aron gave us 10/12 decent minutes in 3 or 4 consecutives games against OKC last playoffs

[100%duncan]

Stephen Jackson thought he was better than Danny Green too.

Meaning?

Are you implying that Ayres is better than Baynes?

Sjax also thought he was better than Manu, he's a knucklehead not deserving of a reference.

[ElNono]

And I imagine he wants both more money and more years. For all we know, the Spurs may have offered him more on a one year deal, but he'll be a restricted free agent again next summer in that case. I'd guess he wants to avoid that.

That's why I find no reason to say that the Spurs are penny pinching. We have no idea what the Spurs may have offered above the QO. We only know that it's not enough for Baynes.

Certainly there's plenty we don't know. I was merely speculating on the scenario where it's just one year extension. Under that scenario, I think he's worth the $2m, and I would certainly describe a potential Spurs move not to offer the difference as penny pinching. Obviously, we don't know, and not only it's just speculation, but also merely an opinion. Other scenarios (he wants more years, etc) would certainly change that outlook.

[T Park]

I'd be surprised if the spurs are squabbling over 900k, especially since Duncan took that salary pay cut and the spurs are nowhere near the luxury tax. The only issue I can see is a roster spot. Spurs need to cut either Daye or find a sucker to take Ayres.

Not really. you can have 15. they had 14 last year. Anderson makes it 15.

[Texas_Ranger]

Does it really matter if the Spurs sign him or not? He's the 5/6 big who isn't really that good and definitely not worth 2M a year. His International play doen't really show anything, cause a lot of guys play good for their country and then can't play in the NBA.... I just hope Hollins won't be signed. Damn, that would mean we have two Errors on the team.

[objective]

He's worth the 2 million.

He proved he could step up and perform in emergency situations, much better than Ayres. Considering the injury issues that usually plague splitter for bumps of the season, and the rest of Duncan, and the general terrible play of Ayres, Baynes is a good deal at $2 million.

It would be very disappointing without Baynes on the roster next season.

[mudyez]

Worth 2mio for 1year but not 1mio per 2years is what it comes down to.

I'd happily have him stay with the team as it would bring back the full band (+KA) but keeping the summer of '15 cap as clean as possible is a must do and the roster spot is highly valuable for a team like the Spurs.

That said: No sour grapes if he leaves for more money or a longer contract. Always liked that dude and you can't fault someone at his age trying to get the most out of his skills as long as they are avaluable.

[99 Problems]

What's the big deal? He plays in a league that overpays half the guys. Heck there's only 2 guys in the league worth max yet everyone thinks they deserve it.

[mudyez]

What's the big deal? He plays in a league that overpays half the guys. Heck there's only 2 guys in the league worth max yet everyone thinks they deserve it.

Guess the Spurs think they are smarter than the other teams.

[z0sa]

Major mistake by the FO is Baynes isn't resigned.

[jeebus]

Maybe he needs a new agent. His current agent hasn't been able to find any team that agrees with Aron's assessment of his value.

Or follow the example that Patty set for him last summer and actually earn a bigger payday.

I was thinking this too. I remember reading a couple months ago that Baynes was letting his agent handle all of the offseason stuff so it's all on the agent for not coming to an agreement with the Spurs.

I guess Baynes wants to get paid more than Ayres. I don't see why not. He was used more in the playoffs and played much better than Ayres this summer. I don't know what Ayres has done to deserve his contract.

This. Errors is getting paid over $1.8 million; it's not unreasonable for Baynes to get paid that much or $2 million. The FO ed up when they kept Errors and Daye and now they're ing up even more by penny pinching for a reasonable big man. Tim and Tiago are going to be in and out of the line up this season which leaves Diaw and 3 useless scrubs as our only other big men. Pretty pathetic.

[Mel_13]

Certainly there's plenty we don't know. I was merely speculating on the scenario where it's just one year extension. Under that scenario, I think he's worth the $2m, and I would certainly describe a potential Spurs move not to offer the difference as penny pinching. Obviously, we don't know, and not only it's just speculation, but also merely an opinion. Other scenarios (he wants more years, etc) would certainly change that outlook.

True enough that almost everything in this thread is speculation and opinion, so let's add a hypothetical.

One thing we actually know is that Baynes has been a free agent for about eleven weeks and has yet to sign an offer sheet. So, if we're to believe the report in the OP, Baynes has been unable to generate a multi-year dealing starting at 2M or higher. If he had been able to get such an offer, if we're to believe the report, he certainly would have signed it and presented it to the Spurs.

Absent an offer from an NBA team, Baynes' only leverage is an offer from an international team. Here's we go off into pure speculation, but we do know that many European teams have already begun their training camps, so we're getting late in the game for any lucrative offer.

So here's the hypothetical. In the absence of any actual offer superior to the QO, should the Spurs increase their offer to Baynes? I say no. What say you?

[hsxvvd]

Let him play on the qualifying offer. Play hungry and earn the pay day as an unrestricted FA.

[exstatic]

Meaning?

Are you implying that Ayres is better than Baynes?

Sjax also thought he was better than Manu, he's a knucklehead not deserving of a reference.

He's implying that the LAST guy who thought he was better than another Spurs player was given an invitation to the world on the eve of the 2013 playoffs. That, ALONE, would be a reason to wish Aron well with another team. Pop won't have that kind of dissent in the locker room.

[KL2]

Baynes has helped the Spurs in the playoffs a few times, most memorable for me was against OKC this year and LA last year. He brings toughness into the game, his hard screens (which free up the offense), boxing guys out, battling in the post making scoring hard, he's the type of guy to drain the other team of energy.

Plus he looks like he's got a lot of potential, his shots look GOOD, even his jumper looks decent, it's a matter of him getting more playing time, confidence, and experience. When that happens I think SA will have another gem.

[Dex]

True enough that almost everything in this thread is speculation and opinion, so let's add a hypothetical.

One thing we actually know is that Baynes has been a free agent for about eleven weeks and has yet to sign an offer sheet. So, if we're to believe the report in the OP, Baynes has been unable to generate a multi-year dealing starting at 2M or higher. If he had been able to get such an offer, if we're to believe the report, he certainly would have signed it and presented it to the Spurs.

Absent an offer from an NBA team, Baynes' only leverage is an offer from an international team. Here's we go off into pure speculation, but we do know that many European teams have already begun their training camps, so we're getting late in the game for any lucrative offer.

So here's the hypothetical. In the absence of any actual offer superior to the QO, should the Spurs increase their offer to Baynes? I say no. What say you?

I say meet him in the middle. Baynes' agent is obviously trying to haggle over his value, and any good negotiator knows you don't start with your final offer.

Baynes had a good season last year, considering his role, and played well with Australia. He fills an important part as our banger and enforcer, and he's young enough to still have potential upside.

Is he worth more than the $1.1M the Spurs have already put on the table? As you well pointed out, other teams don't seem to think so yet, but that doesn't mean it isn't the case. If Baynes truly doesn't have any other offers, then it would be bad play on his part to start bargaining with the Spurs.

Like I said...meet him somewhere in the middle at around $1.6M, and spend the extra $500k just to keep a potential prospect, good locker room guy, and big who already knows how to play in the system.

[100%duncan]

He's implying that the LAST guy who thought he was better than another Spurs player was given an invitation to the world on the eve of the 2013 playoffs. That, ALONE, would be a reason to wish Aron well with another team. Pop won't have that kind of dissent in the locker room.

So ing and being a locker room cancer=asking for what you are actually worth? What did Jax do in the court during that time for Pop to grant him his foolish request? Nothing. On the other hand, Baynes is a decent back up C and has shown last playoffs that he can be a niche pick. And for just 900k more, it's not like there is someone better than him at this point in the market.

[Ice009]

Stephen Jackson thought he was better than Danny Green too.

Who the heck were the players that Pop asked Stephen if he thought he was better than? Was it both Danny and Manu? How about Kawhi?

I'm not too pleased anytime that I think about that situation. I also don't know the full story and what went on behind closed doors, so I haven't commented on it much.

[TheGreatYacht]

Baynes scored more in 1 game at the World Cup, than Ayres did in the whole summer league If you're okay with keeping Errors over Baynes... Go check your brain for tumors.

Baynes vs Ayres:
Rebounding - Equal
Scoring - Baynes X1000
Hands - Baynes X1000000
Potential - Baynes
Defense - N/A
IQ - Baynes X10000000000
Energy - Baynes

The posters on here who don't care if Aron leaves are the same people who cussed at their TV when Blair raped all of our bigs tbh

[Mel_13]

I say meet him in the middle. Baynes' agent is obviously trying to haggle over his value, and any good negotiator knows you don't start with your final offer.

Baynes had a good season last year, considering his role, and played well with Australia. He fills an important part as our banger and enforcer, and he's young enough to still have potential upside.

Is he worth more than the $1.1M the Spurs have already put on the table? As you well pointed out, other teams don't seem to think so yet, but that doesn't mean it isn't the case. If Baynes truly doesn't have any other offers, then it would be bad play on his part to start bargaining with the Spurs.

Like I said...meet him somewhere in the middle at around $1.6M, and spend the extra $500k just to keep a potential prospect, good locker room guy, and big who already knows how to play in the system.

Giving him more on one year deal won't hurt the Spurs, but if truly has no other offers, then where's he going to go if the Spurs don't increase their offer? For me, his issues should be with his agent, not with the Spurs. That guy hasn't, to this point, done the job of creating a market for his client. As stated above, the Spurs have already offered him a 40% raise over last season. Without a legitimate offer from some other professional team, I still don't see any reason for the Spurs to bump up their offer.

[moisaenz]

Maybe he is worth it but nobody has offered him that

[313]

Ayers is making near 2 mil this year correct?
Aron > Ayers

Therefore, he is definitely worth 2 million.

Just sign the man.

[ElNono]

True enough that almost everything in this thread is speculation and opinion, so let's add a hypothetical.

One thing we actually know is that Baynes has been a free agent for about eleven weeks and has yet to sign an offer sheet. So, if we're to believe the report in the OP, Baynes has been unable to generate a multi-year dealing starting at 2M or higher. If he had been able to get such an offer, if we're to believe the report, he certainly would have signed it and presented it to the Spurs.

Absent an offer from an NBA team, Baynes' only leverage is an offer from an international team. Here's we go off into pure speculation, but we do know that many European teams have already begun their training camps, so we're getting late in the game for any lucrative offer.

So here's the hypothetical. In the absence of any actual offer superior to the QO, should the Spurs increase their offer to Baynes? I say no. What say you?

Bottom line, and this is just my opinion, if he's just looking for a one year extension, then I think $2m is a fair deal for what he brings. Yes, the Spurs don't "have to" offer a penny more, but between losing him and paying the difference, I personally think the latter would be more beneficial, basketball-wise, to the Spurs. He's obviously a marginal talent, so I can understand people that don't agree with that view.

I don't think he'll have a problem finding a deal that pays him that in Europe. I do think if things stretched this long it's mainly because he would like to stick in the NBA.

[ceperez]

Here's what doesn't make sense. Baynes did play well in the recent FIBA tournament. However, it indeed is strange that no other NBA team has made an alternative offer.

So it does seem like NBA teams aren't interested in Baynes. It's also interesting that there are a lot of other big men in free agency that aren't getting any interest. Raduljica is a legit 7 footer but nobody has signed him yet after being waived by the Clippers. So it seems that NBA teams aren't in dire need of traditional center.

[Mel_13]

Bottom line, and this is just my opinion, if he's just looking for a one year extension, then I think $2m is a fair deal for what he brings. Yes, the Spurs don't "have to" offer a penny more, but between losing him and paying the difference, I personally think the latter would be more beneficial, basketball-wise, to the Spurs. He's obviously a marginal talent, so I can understand people that don't agree with that view.

I don't think he'll have a problem finding a deal that pays him that in Europe. I do think if things stretched this long it's mainly because he would like to stick in the NBA.

It was a simple question. In the absence of any actual offer superior to the QO, should the Spurs increase their offer to Baynes?

You posit a scenario in which in can easily get a superior offer.