CROFL SEC Defense

[Silver&Black]

No, I mean in the history of the school. I know which schools won during that run since you were so kind to list them.

How many national championships out of how many total years of Mississippi State football?

Zero....guess that means USTA>Miss. St. now.

[ChumpDumper]

Zero....guess that means USTA>Miss. St. now.

Not in my opinion.

At worst it would make them equals, but that's only if you use national championships as the sole barometer of success for a football program. Would be kind of pointless for most people to follow just about any team out of the four that get to play for the championship, wouldn't it?

UTSA plays in Conference USA. Two seasons ago they were in the WAC. Before that they were FCS independent while their other sports played in the Southland Conference. It's been an interesting ride.

[Silver&Black]

Not in my opinion.

At worst it would make them equals, but that's only if you use national championships as the sole barometer of success for a football program. Would be kind of pointless for most people to follow just about any team out of the four that get to play for the championship, wouldn't it?

UTSA plays in Conference USA. Two seasons ago they were in the WAC. Before that they were FCS independent while their other sports played in the Southland Conference. It's been an interesting ride.

I know what conference UTSA plays in...it was a rhetorical question.

[ChumpDumper]

I know what conference UTSA plays in...it was a rhetorical question.

And there they will probably stay on whatever second tier of football that comes out of the next money grab.

Maybe that tier will have its own national championship. Oh, the possibilities!

[Silver&Black]

And there they will probably stay on whatever second tier of football that comes out of the next money grab.

Maybe that tier will have its own national championship. Oh, the possibilities!

All kidding aside....good luck to you guys. And I mean that...I'm all for the "little schools". You don't think (being a Miss. St. fan) I get ragged on by other SEC team fans? Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida...etc. fans give me . Miss. St., even though it is bigger than UTSA, is still considered a little school in the SEC. ....we've been a bottom dweller for decades. Still doesn't change the fact that I love the team and the conference in general.

Basically, as long as you pull for the Spurs.....you can come over to my house and my wife. (Well a blowjob at least)

[ChumpDumper]

All kidding aside....good luck to you guys. And I mean that...I'm all for the "little schools". You don't think (being a Miss. St. fan) I get ragged on by other SEC team fans? Alabama, LSU, Auburn, Florida...etc. fans give me . Miss. St., even though it is bigger than UTSA, is still considered a little school in the SEC. ....we've been a bottom dweller for decades. Still doesn't change the fact that I love the team and the conference in general.

Basically, as long as you pull for the Spurs.....you can come over to my house and my wife. (Well a blowjob at least)

Oh, UTSA aspires to be a P5 bottom feeder by many accounts. It's amazing what goes into even a so called also ran program.

[Silver&Black]

Oh, UTSA aspires to be a P5 bottom feeder by many accounts. It's amazing what goes into even a so called also ran program.

Like Kevin Garnett said, "Anything is Possible!!!!". ...Miss. St. beat LSU for the first time in 100 years last Saturday. Looks like Garnett wasn't lying....

[Silver&Black]

And djohn2008...I see you trolling the thread. Come in here and tell me how the PAC-12 is so much better than the SEC again?? I need a good laugh...

[Clipper Nation]

Never claimed Miss. St. was the best team in College Football...just that they play in the best Division and Conference in College Football.

Mississippi State: SEC Participation Champions

[djohn2oo8]

And djohn2008...I see you trolling the thread. Come in here and tell me how the PAC-12 is so much better than the SEC again?? I need a good laugh...

They actually schedule tougher OOC opponents so that they don't end up losing to each other to overinflate their rankings

[Silver&Black]

Mississippi State: SEC Participation Champions

They don't give trophies for that one....if they did we would have to build another building to house them all...LOL.

[Silver&Black]

They actually schedule tougher OOC opponents so that they don't end up losing to each other to overinflate their rankings

They have to schedule tougher OOC opponents.....to bring up their final Strength of Schedule numbers. Even with all the cupcakes the SEC schedules...they still end up with the hardest schedules in the nation.

[DesignatedT]

Miss State would beat every big 12 team minus OU and maybe Baylor (still haven't proven anything). They would destroy the likes of tech or texas.

[Silver&Black]

Last year SOS:

1	Auburn (11-2)	45.8	1	77	1
2	Alabama (10-2)	42.4	1	39	2
3	Missouri (11-2)	40.8	3	77	6
4	Oklahoma (11-2)	40.8	1	115	10
5	Oklahoma St (9-3)	40.7	3	64	23
6	Stanford (11-3)	39.5	2	105	9
7	Florida St (13-0)	38.9	7	70	38
8	Texas A&M (8-4)	38.5	1	49	3
9	Florida (4-7)	38.4	1	32	5
10	Arkansas (2-9)	37.6	7	117	12
11	S Carolina (10-2)	37.5	3	27	19
12	Arizona St (9-4)	37.4	1	57	4
13	Clemson (9-2)	37.3	2	40	13
14	Baylor (10-2)	37.0	4	76	25
15	LSU (9-3)	37.0	1	75	7
16	Texas (8-5)	36.8	5	74	32
17	Texas Tech (7-5)	36.7	7	92	42
18	UCLA (10-3)	36.3	2	66	8
19	Oregon (10-2)	36.2	5	45	18
20	Michigan St (12-1)	35.8	14	122	33
21	Ohio State (11-2)	35.4	20	83	28
22	Georgia (7-5)	35.3	1	32	11
23	Oregon St (7-5)	35.2	5	84	14
24	Washington (8-4)	35.2	2	76	16
25	Mississippi (7-5)	35.0	1	34	20

Two years ago SOS:

1	Alabama (12-1)	40.0	1	61	3
2	Texas A&M (9-2)	39.4	1	25	4
3	LSU (9-3)	39.2	1	60	8
4	Georgia (11-2)	38.4	1	67	6
5	Florida (10-2)	37.7	1	59	7
6	Notre Dame (12-1)	37.4	6	80	24
7	S Carolina (10-2)	37.4	5	89	10
8	Kansas St (10-2)	37.4	1	57	20
9	Missouri (4-7)	37.3	1	32	17
10	Oklahoma (9-3)	36.7	1	83	15
11	Mississippi (6-6)	36.6	4	97	14
12	Michigan (8-5)	35.4	2	51	32
13	Nebraska (9-4)	35.2	9	86	25
14	Clemson (10-2)	34.4	5	94	52
15	Wisconsin (7-6)	34.1	8	85	27
16	Oregon (11-1)	33.8	8	77	9
17	Miss State (7-5)	33.6	17	95	28
18	Arkansas (3-8)	33.6	2	46	36
19	Stanford (12-2)	33.3	1	63	2
20	Auburn (2-9)	33.1	8	53	34
21	Oregon St (8-4)	32.9	1	48	1
22	TX Christian (6-6)	32.8	2	119	18
23	Kentucky (1-10)	32.7	15	90	30
24	GA Tech (6-7)	32.5	20	99	46
25	Louisville (10-2)	32.4	17	108	61

Looks like SEC teams play the hardest schedules of anybody. And yes that's including the cupcakes......

[Clipper Nation]

They actually schedule tougher OOC opponents so that they don't end up losing to each other to overinflate their rankings

Exactly.... the SEC's "strength of schedule" and rankings are a complete scam based on circular logic and self-fulfilling prophecies:

http://www.thepostgame.com/commentar...ompson-sec-bcs

[Clipper Nation]

Judging by inter-conference records -- that is to say actual games as opposed to media guesswork and bestowed rankings -- the SEC plays other BCS conferences about equally. Witness the record since the start of the BCS era in 1998:

SEC vs. PAC-12 regular season: 10-12
SEC vs. PAC-12 bowl games: 1-0
SEC vs. Big 12 regular season: 6-10
SEC vs. Big 12 bowl games: 21-8
SEC vs. ACC regular season: 42-36
SEC vs. ACC bowl games: 16-9
SEC vs. Big 10 regular season: 7-4
SEC vs. Big 10 bowl games: 19-19
SEC vs. Big East regular season: 16-15
SEC vs. Big East bowl game: 3-8

The record is clear. In head-to-head match-ups against other major conferences, the SEC has either a combined losing record or one that's generally only a little better than even.

[Clipper Nation]

So, if the SEC plays other conferences about even, why do SEC teams keep winning national championships?

That answer, of course, is the BCS and its corporate underwriters, who have created a reliable business model for determining national champions that is in all respects a self-fulfilling prophecy designed to protect its primary investment.

The BCS business plan works like this: preseason rankings typically include two, three, or four SEC teams among the nation's top ten, more than from any other conference. From the outset, this bias for SEC teams builds into the system a near insurmountable advantage.

Start the season with two of the top four teams being from the SEC, as was the case in 2010 with Alabama and Florida, and in 2011 with Alabama and LSU, and the conference is virtually guaranteed to be represented in the le game -- and this is an important point -- even if neither of those two schools end up winning the conference.

[FkLA]

They actually schedule tougher OOC opponents so that they don't end up losing to each other to overinflate their rankings

[Clipper Nation]

Because ESPN essentially owns college football, the SEC agenda it pushes invariably sets the tone followed by other media. In February 2011, more than half a year before the start of the football season, ESPN placed three southern teams in its top-five ranking for 2011 and published an Internet story beneath the headline, "SEC teams dominate early look at 2011." The story referred to the rankings as though they were the result of some organic process.


A more honest headline would have been: "We've invested $2.25 billion in the SEC and we've decided to tell you, yet again, that SEC teams will dominate college football. Surprised?

[Silver&Black]

Miss State would beat every big 12 team minus OU and maybe Baylor (still haven't proven anything). They would destroy the likes of tech or texas.

Thanks for your kind words....and btw welcome to the best conference in the land.

[Clipper Nation]

The preseason top twenty-five is stocked with the usual high-profile teams from across the country -- teams, not coincidentally, already scheduled for heavy broadcast exposure. Thanks to its gaudy TV contracts, many of these ranked teams come from the SEC.

Once the season is underway, if a highly ranked SEC team beats another highly ranked SEC team, the winner rises higher in the polls than it might normally, based on the fact that it's just beaten a "top-tier" team from the country's "elite" conference. By the same coin, the losing SEC team in this scenario doesn't drop as far as it might otherwise, since, after all, it has lost to a presumably powerful "top-tier" team from the country's "elite" conference.


When "good" SEC teams suffer losses in league play, this allegedly proves how tough the SEC is from top to bottom. If an SEC leader wins all of its league games, this allegedly proves how great that team is, given that it somehow managed to go undefeated against a monster SEC schedule -- ignored is the fact that SEC teams have pulled off this putative miracle for the last four straight seasons.

[FkLA]

I wish we could ban dum s like dumbjohn and CN from the College Forum.

[Silver&Black]

For all you guys talking about the SEC teams scheduling cupcakes....

Let's also talk about the "murder's row" that every SEC team has to play. Every year there is a 6-7 game stretch where they will play some of the best teams in college football. It's funny how you guys don't mention that. BTW....this 6-7 game stretch is so difficult it automatically vaults them to the top of the SOS list.

[DesignatedT]

It's a conspiracy

[DesignatedT]

Thanks for your kind words....and btw welcome to the best conference in the land.

. After we get past the pigs this weekend we will have a nice showdown in Starkville next week.