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Kobe's horrible gming in the backgrounds created that roster.
so the cap will rise and they want even more money?
Kobe's horrible gming in the backgrounds created that roster.
They won't because they have nowhere else to play for even half of what they're making in the NBA. They have no leverage in this.
Basically.
Of course they have leverage - the NBA will die without LeBron, Durant, Kobe, Duncan, etc. Those are the names you discuss with your friends, at the bar, on Spurstalk. Not the owners.
Just because the players are too stupid to see their leverage doesn't mean they don't have it. If the players had the balls to sit out 1-2 years they'd see the owners bleed. Owning franchises are side ventures for these millionaire/billionaire owners - the second they really bleed they'll cave. You can't replace LeBron like you can replace a garbage disposal guy on strike. Even the NFL replacement referees were an epic fail.
So when Lebron, Durant, Kobe, and Duncan retire, the NBA will die? lol No, they'll get replaced by whatever new faces the NBA wants to push.
No, you don't understand the argument. It can be whatever players are the stars at the moment (and it assumes support from most/all the players). Are you saying if the players decide to strike tomorrow, the NBA will just wait several years until the players get old to replace them? You know how stupid that would be financially? LeBron raised the value of the Heat by like 200 million.
People watch sports because of the players - you're on this forum now because of your favorite players, not the owners. How exactly do you replace a Lebron, if you don't mind telling me? Just wait it out?
Disagree. First of all, as you said, NBA franchises are side ventures for the owners - they can handle long lockouts/strikes as it's not their main/only source of income, it's the players who cannot. We can talk hypotheticals all day long but 90% of these players won't survive a year on savings and the owners know that, their agents know that too and won't let them strike and lose money. The NBA will lose popularity temporarily but they have huge commercial contracts and will survive until new stars are flooded in. Players on strike, on the other hand, won't last long without the NBA. At best they'd look to play for European/Chinese teams and won't make nearly as much.
that's so not true ...
You don't understand the argument. The NBA makes stars. If the current players strike, the NBA would find new people and make them household names. The players like to pretend they have negotiating power, but they really don't. If the current players held out for more than one year, you don't think Nike, Adidas, etc. wouldn't move on and sign new players to represent their company? In just 2-3 years, no one would care what the Lebron or Durant were doing if they weren't playing for the NBA.
Right - you watch the NBA from Slovakia to see Mark Cuban shout on the sidelines.
Exactly. We watch to support our teams and because we like the sport.
No, he watches to root for his team(not individual players) and because he likes the sport.
You seem to think I'm arguing that only the star should strike, which would make no sense. They're in a union, so all the players would strike. Are you suggesting they're going to replace every player in the NBA?
Yes. If it came to that. A lot of low and mid-tier players that aren't on max contracts would leave the union and keep playing for a pay check, tbh.
i watch the spurs not tim duncan. now you can say that i became a spursfan because of manu ginobili and that's fine, but if instead of timmy and manu there would be some worse players that were the best at their specific time, that wouldn't change one bit. I may have chosen some other team at the time, but now i will stick with the spurs no matter who will play in it.
Again, that's due to the stupidity of the players as I've said. They could certainly survive a lockout/strike with better planning, I mean they know when their CBA expires. I don't think they'd ever be successful, as I've said they're not smart enough, but you're crazy if you think that ass reaming the players took in the last CBA couldn't have been avoided if they were just smarter.
that's way easier than you may think..
It might take a few years to get the talent pool where it was pre-strike, but it will get there eventually and then all the players that were/are striking will just look like idiots. Probably begging the government to intervene because the mean, old, white owners are being mean to the young, black athletes.
i mean, the nfl has tim tebow and jff as their main talk show stars and you tell me that the quality of the player is what makes the stars?
If you believe there's even a remote chance that 450 of world's best 600 or so basketball players would strike and not play basketball for years because they'd want a couple of %s more from the ever increasing NBA revenue, then we're way off on this argument.
Yup. lol
No - I've said the opposite. Just because they fail to utilize their leverage or any strategy in negotiations doesn't mean it isn't possible though.
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