bull . Repugs/BigOil invaded Iraq for oil, but there was, is no benefit. BigOil, US/UK, aren't getting significant if any oil from Iraq, and even that will probably drop to nothing when Iraq comes apart.
You should be thankful and the first ones to give honor to those people in uniform - two of the San Antonio Spurs greats are from the military the admiral David Robinson (navy) & Popovich (air force), you hypocrites.
Can you imagine the universe if Pop and DRob didn't come back from those dangerous deployments when their "life was on the line"?
95% of military personnel are moochers who couldn't get into college and have to suck off the government teet for work. Sure, I respect the other 5% who are forced to go fight as pawns to maintain billionaire's rule of the world, but GTFOH with "military sacrifice". My brother is on a ing Navy frigate in the Panama canal right now intercepting coke coming from South America. His life is not "on the line" and that is not a military mission. It's a waste of money, resources, and time.
This has gone too far mainly because if you haven't experienced something, you don't have the clarity of vision to be able to see it in its proper context. It doesn't really matter what you think of the war or the reasons for why one joins or serves; but to insult people who do the job of a servicemember as stupid is just stupid in itself. In your civilian job, how often have you had to calculate the trajectory of a mortar in order to not hit the soldiers who are calling in the artillery? And before you say that computers do it, think again. They have to learn it and apply it in the event that electronics go down. Of course, that's only one job in particular.
Just to be promoted above the rank of E-4 (and sometimes just to get TO the rank of E-4), you have to stand before a panel of your leadership and be judged on how well you know the Uniform Code of Military Justice, your particular MOS, various Army Regulations and Field Manuals, not to mention hypothetical questions on how you would react as a leader.
Do you know how to properly apply a tourniquet? Or administer an IV? How about performing a needle decompression if a buddy has a tension pneumothorax or applying a seal for a sucking chest wound? What about being able to disassemble and reassemble, fire accurately, and troubleshoot more weapons than you've ever seen up close? How about learning different cultures and learning the local dialect in order to properly communicate with those around you to identify dangerous situations? These are just a few of the basic skills that EVERY soldier, not only the medic, has to learn.
For my MOS, there was obviously quite a lot I had to learn and test out of just to be certified enough to perform. A lot of soldiers didn't make it and were dropped from the Army, left themselves, or were transferred to a different MOS. I became an expert in body language and deception.
These are not the jobs and experiences of idiots. Sure, just as with any job, you have some people who aren't so bright. But if you had even a modi of respect for the process, you'd already know that not everyone can get in. I personally know a guy right now who is trying to get in but he can't pass the ASVAB test. The days of just accepting any live body are gone and have been for a long while.
To me, it just sounds like jealousy. You'll never admit to it, but you must be intimidated that there are people who believe in higher ideals than you. Whatever you think about the government and whatever you think about the wars that have been fought, you can't disregard the courage that it takes to leave everything you've ever known and embark upon a life-changing adventure that could result in a very quick death. When I was deployed, I thought many times about how I didn't agree with what we were doing, but when you're there, it becomes less about the politics and more about your buddies beside you. They're your best friends and they have wives and moms and dads and sisters and grandparents. I gathered intelligence so that my buddies weren't leaving the wire into an ambush. I did my job well so the next convoy wouldn't come back missing a truck. I agree that companies control the forces, but that can be said for any profession or career. To call soldiers and other servicemembers stupid for being some of the most intelligent and capable people you would ever meet is plain ignorance. Trust me, when hits the fan, you'll want a veteran by your side. If you're ever lucky to be in the position of hiring someone, you'll be impressed by every veteran who applies. If you ever have a daughter, you'll want her to meet a servicemember.
So much honor in the code of military justice
I would teach her to run away as fast and as far as possible unless they admitted they were conned into following a disingenuous murderous lifestyle
Splits.... I really hope you get banned for that... but i'm sure it will get overlooked again like all other stupid posts on this board!
Banned for what, admitting my brother is Navy?
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Well said soldier.
That's why we build monuments, statues, do memorials for those people who made a difference. That separates the good men and those who don't care on how they will be remembered by their sons & daughters & the next generations when they grow up.
Nice, I see what you did there.
I'm not defending politicians, I'm standing up for the soldiers who followed orders and fought for what they believed and what we were sold as the right reasons. In that case, they fought and risked their lives so I didn't have to.
Right...because the 11 people who did this represented the best of the Armed Services right? You know they got busted for this don't you? That another soldier who found the photos on a CD-ROM turned them in? Its easy to be cynical and make generalizations about a whole group of people, but its also irresponsible.
So much honor in the code of military justice
I, for one, appreciate our military.
I thank all of you for protecting our right to freedom.
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http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/...-england_x.htm
I assume that you have no idea what you're talking about, so I'll just leave that there for you to read. The UCMJ is not about honor more than a strict set of laws and rules that go far beyond what civilian courts will dole out. For instance, if you receive a DUI, you'll not only be punished on the civilian side in a court of law, but then you will also be punished in the military side.
You don't want to use Abu Ghraib as an argument against me, however easy a target it may seem for you. The behavior of those individuals was an aberration, not the norm, and they have been justly dealt with. You may use it as an ignorant example of the state of a soldier's morals, while I will use it as a case to demonstrate that it is not tolerated and we follow the guidelines laid out in the Geneva conventions in regards to common decency. You'll always have outliers and people who do the wrong thing, especially when in a hive mindset, but it would be highly inaccurate to assume that it was a rampant and oft-used holding procedure.
I can't wait for the "LOL Mother's Day and LOL Father's Day appreciation" threads. There are bound to be some deep-rooted emotional issues with some souls here which need to surface and be worked-through.
So much honor in the code of military justice
You have no clue, and that much is obvious. There are not many people who fight for the rich, except when they're being paid well or extorted. Everyone over there was and is fighting for their family. Yes, we fight to protect and maintain the lifestyle that allows us to write on stupid message boards like this. To maintain the lifestyle that keeps us as a first world country. To maintain the lifestyle that allows you to walk the streets without being searched and detained at every bridge crossing or when entering another city. To maintain the lifestyle that can almost guarantee you on a DAILY basis that you won't be one of the numbers reported on the news "another 300 dead in a brutal bus station bombing". The lifestyle that says there are no curfews and you will not be arrested for being out after sunset. It's probably a lifestyle that you take as granted, but only granted to you by servicemen and servicewomen who have gifted it to you. Yes, that lifestyle also coincides with a certain ugly side that the media outlets ignore. Yes, there are billion-dollar companies who are vying for a share of the pie. Yes there are ulterior motives for some politicians when sending your bravest off to fight a war for you that is only so much ink on a sheet of paper. However, the thought and idea behind what every soldier is doing has nothing to do with any of that. Each individual soldier is just that; an individual. A Free thinking individual, not a mindless robot. We make our own choices, which is why we do have the greatest and strongest military the world has ever seen. We're a volunteer force. People CHOOSE to do this job and that's the main tenet behind it all. We each had our own reasons, and I would guess that the biggest reason is family. Enjoy your lifestyle; trust me, it's way better than the alternative.
Why do they do this up here in the Spurs forum instead of appreciating what we have?
What happened to common civil decency and respect in this country and on the internet?
Bravo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This take is right-on.
I think Rob is just kidding.
And if you are in the military, I thank you.
I make it a point whenever I see a man or woman in uniform to go over and shake their hand and thank them, they deserve it, they are our front line of defense, they are not mercenaries!
And then I see some young punks sneer whenever I do this, but others, usually the mature older people in the crowd, nodding their heads in agreement, and I know I am doing the right thing to do.
So in other words fighting for a lifestyle. That's what I said.
I'm not kidding about anything. US soldiers aren't fighting for freedom. Who's threatening my freedom? Is a country invading the US? I can fight and protect myself if that ever happens. I'd probably die fairly quickly but hey, that would really be dying for my freedom.
What about 9/11, and the latest beheadings by ISIS?
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