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    First off I hate fast food, don't touch the stuff 'cept for some Chick-fil-a action :hungry

    Secondly, if I were to hypothetically purchase some Wendy's nuggets I guess I would be thankful for the two extra sauces but I don't really need them and if he refused to provide be with said sauces I have some ketchup at home. The surgeon I would be eternally grateful towards because of his years of practice and I will have witnessed his work saving my daughters life.

    One thing I could do without, one I couldn't live without, of course I'm more thankful towards the surgeon.

    I see what you are saying. Soldiers are handing out freedom sauce for our nuggets, but I'm telling you I have freedom ketchup of my own in the fridge at home. Life saving surgery is something only a skilled doctor can perform. Any idiot can fire a gun or fry French fries.
    lol, already free... didn't need anyone to get you there...

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    18 fatalities vs 146 fatalities.

    Having stupid people doesn't make the job dangerous. It makes the people dangerous.

    Also, traffic accidents that kill a person who's driving a work vehicle doesn't really count as a work related hazard. We all face the same driving risks. 59% of cops who died did so due to violence. With garbage collectors, it was heavily slanted to traffic accidents (60%).

    So sure, you can twist the numbers to say whatever you like.
    Moving the goalposts. What I stated is fact, garbage collection is a more dangerous job than police officer. There's a higher death rate. It's pretty simple math.

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    Refer to your family history.
    Answer the question.

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    Moving the goalposts. What I stated is fact, garbage collection is a more dangerous job than police officer. There's a higher death rate. It's pretty simple math.
    No, driving is inherently more dangerous for garbage collectors than policemen because policemen are trained to drive and hopefully don't come to work drunk or high. Odd though, because cops get into high speed chases and yet have a lower incidence of traffic related deaths, and garbage men drive big ing tank like trucks and smash Jose there in the back against a light pole.

    Doesn't make the job dangerous. It's just creative accounting.

    Also, who says death is the measurement of danger? What about injury?

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    Largely? The federal government has been co-opted by special interests from the onset. Congress is made of congressmen and women, many of whom has sat on boards of large corporations that have interests abroad. They are all trying to move all the marbles to their side of the sand box, and it's a time honored tradition of brotherhood among thieves/wealthy to choose bros before hoes (common folk being the hoes). I wouldn't expect anything less. From the common man though, who doesn't have aspirations of amassing great wealth and power, some honor creeps in.

    Congress/corporations... all the same.
    I'm not arguing it's "surprising", I merely stating that's a sad state. It's difficult to tell anybody else to care about America if the elected democratic representatives don't care themselves. It wasn't always like that. Back in the WW2 days, we did our deals that commercially favored America, but we really didn't go full-blown war until Pearl Harbor. This whole "world police" position we're currently sitting on is very debatable, IMO.

    "Our troops" is about service members. A troop is one service member (odd terminology I agree). Certainly no one is showing appreciation for the Pentagon.
    Nor we should, IMO. Then again, I'm with you there shouldn't be glorification nor pity about it.

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    Answer the question.
    No one dies. There was no garbage collector when I was growing up. We hauled it to the dump. No one died.

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    No one dies. There was no garbage collector when I was growing up. We hauled it to the dump. No one died.
    Given how lazy people are today I'm sure the toll would be significant.

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    You are shifting your argument. Your argument was never about skill or scarcity - it was about a job being a job because someone is paid.

    The fact you just stated you would treat a surgeon different than someone at Chick-fil-a illustrates my point (and others) as to the "why" certain people may be appreciated/recognized more than others despite being paid. So now your argument is shifiting from the basic reduction of "paid" to scarcity/skill/inherent danger or importance to the community.

    Much different argument but we can continue down the path.
    It's not the job, it's the product I'm appreciative of. I like that my trashcans are emptied twice a week, but I'm much happier that my daughter is alive. I'm not changing my argument, we've just established that I'm more appreciative of the surgeon that saved my daughters life than I am of people who have regular jobs like trash collectors and soldiers. I don't know how anyone could think differently .

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    Given how lazy people are today I'm sure the toll would be significant.
    Since you're sure...

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    It's making amends for half the boomers dodging the draft and then spitting on the ones that actually were forced to go to Vietnam when they got back.

    It's now a volunteer army and that there are volunteers means there is no draft for the wars we have been steadily fighting since vietnam. I appreciate that. E-1 through E-5 gets paid poverty level wages.

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    It's making amends for half the boomers dodging the draft and then spitting on the ones that actually were forced to go to Vietnam when they got back.

    It's now a volunteer army and that there are volunteers means there is no draft for the wars we have been steadily fighting since vietnam. I appreciate that. E-1 through E-5 gets paid poverty level wages.
    They get paid more than if they weren't afforded the opportunity to advance their lives in the military. Free education and vocation training. Free benefits for themselves and their families. What more thanks and appreciation do they want?

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    No, driving is inherently more dangerous for garbage collectors than policemen because policemen are trained to drive and hopefully don't come to work drunk or high. Odd though, because cops get into high speed chases and yet have a lower incidence of traffic related deaths, and garbage men drive big ing tank like trucks and smash Jose there in the back against a light pole. Doesn't make the job dangerous. It's just creative accounting.



    Also, who says death is the measurement of danger? What about injury?
    The news articles I linked to.

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    We need a fishing appreciation day .... remove your hat and say a ing prayer next time you eat some filet.

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    The news articles I linked to.
    You either don't understand the concept of risk or you're being intentionally obtuse.

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    We need a fishing appreciation day .... remove your hat and say a ing prayer next time to eat some filet.
    The jerseys can have a fish scale pattern on them

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    They get paid more than if they weren't afforded the opportunity to advance their lives in the military. Free education and vocation training. Free benefits for themselves and their families. What more thanks and appreciation do they want?
    ^ not understanding the concept of "free"

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    18 fatalities vs 146 fatalities.

    Having stupid people doesn't make the job dangerous. It makes the people dangerous.

    Also, traffic accidents that kill a person who's driving a work vehicle doesn't really count as a work related hazard. We all face the same driving risks. 59% of cops who died did so due to violence. With garbage collectors, it was heavily slanted to traffic accidents (60%).

    So sure, you can twist the numbers to say whatever you like.
    It's a stretch not to call getting hit by a car in traffic NOT a work related accident, or crushed by machinery. And, to assume a significant amount of the fatalities are due to their own stupidity is a little presumptuous. A firefighter slipping and hitting his head on the corner of the pool table at the firehouse during a game of nine-ball doesn't make it a work related injury, either. If we are going to beat up on people, I'm all in for firemen. Waiting around playing Call-of-Duty on the taxpayer's big screen tv, pensions putting municipalities in bankruptcy, and to be honest, I think I've fought two fires since I've ever seen a fireman do it in person, if ever. Although, darn good they are at lifting weights, cooking chili, and training for firefightin', and complainin' about having to work a whole day to get the next two off. I know a lot of firemen, and not totally throwin' them under the bus, but the guys on 9/11 bought them a whole lot more praise than due.

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    ^ not understanding the concept of "free"
    It's free in the sense that they are training and accrediting you for their purposes but when you've served your term, the education is yours, you get to keep it and use it too meet qualifications for whatever job you get post-military. Shame that many are too stupid to see the opportunity in that and come out, claim as many disabilities as they can, and about unemployment

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    Lil mo - so basically, since you have your freedoms and it's not an important job, you then think that if the military went away your freedom would still exist? Iron Man going to keep watch.

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    A lot of people feel en led these days and take things for granted.

    It's really sad.

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    So you are saying my trash collector is putting his life on the line by collecting trash?

    We should also have appreciation nights for our firemen and policemen IMHO.
    policemen
    donuts
    let mafiosos do their thing but arrest innocent people
    law enforcers
    10 trained cops tasering or shooting 1 unarmed skinny dude
    tough because they have a badge
    cowards

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    I don't think military should go away. I just think it's ridiculous the praise that's showered upon them these days. I don't think there should be animosity towards the military like during Vietnam, but what's with the over glorification? It's just silly and unnecessary. Like America NEEDS heroes to look up to. I gotta hand it to Uncle Sam, he's done his job and the war machine will always keep rolling

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    I'm just saying I'm not buying it, I'm not falling for it. Military is necessary but not more important than any of the other necessary roles that people play to make world turn

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    What's hilarious is that if its so easy & they get paid so much and they get all this praise why didn't lil mo join?

    Tbh, if he believes what he's saying it should be a no brainer & he can coast to riches while being adored by all.

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    A lot of people feel en led these days and take things for granted.

    It's really sad.
    Yeah it is , glad I'm not one if those people.

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