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    The fundamental issue here is why are blacks to stupid too realize that they're in the face of an authoritative figure and that they need to comply?

    Trayvon Martin.

    Michael Brown.

    And now this kid.

    Why, black people? Why do you have such a hard time complying to rules?

    Pulling out a gun in front of a cop? Seriously? And you still think the kid didn't deserve to be shot?

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    ummm maybe because he's 12 and 2 police officers just pulled up on him with guns drawn. that can cause fear in 12 year olds.
    i'm not asking if the kid was scared. i asked why pulling out a fake gun would be an appropriate response to said fear

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    i find it hard to believe that somebody would think pulling a gun out in front of the cops is an appropriate way to make the situation safer for yourself
    i find it hard to believe that people could defend shooting a twelve year old, but here we are.

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    Perhaps you have a point with an adult. This is a 12-year old kid. Granted, it wasn't the best move to reach for something, but he might've panicked. You mix that up with a in' rookie on lead patrol, you have a situation that went to the end game expediently.
    case in point. a kid is less likely to act rationally, which inherently makes him dangerous. what if it was a real gun?

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    The fundamental issue here is why are blacks to stupid to realize that they're facing authority and that they need to comply?

    Trayvon Martin.

    Michael Brown.

    And now this kid.

    Why, black people? Why do you have such a hard time complying to rules?
    Because you can ask Amadou Diallo and Oscar Grant what happens when you do comply with police officers.

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    More #TrillTears. You would have to be re ed to point anything that even looks like a gun at a police officer.

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    Perhaps you have a point with an adult. This is a 12-year old kid. Granted, it wasn't the best move to reach for something, but he might've panicked. You mix that up with a in' rookie on lead patrol, you have a situation that went to the end game expediently.
    Comes back to being taught firearm safety, real or not.

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    Bad/negligent parenting can lead to these things.

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    i find it hard to believe that people could defend shooting a twelve year old, but here we are.
    i said on a previous page that i found the police report to be fishy, in that they claimed they told him to drop his weapon 3 times... but the video shows that to be nearly impossible, unless they were shouting it before having gotten out of the vehicle.

    that being said, if u have a report that theres a kid with a gun (which may or may not be real), and you get out of your car, the first thing he does it take the gun out... yeah i think the response is pretty obvious

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    is this someone a 12 year old???


    ummm maybe because he's 12 and 2 police officers just pulled up on him with guns drawn. that can cause fear in 12 year olds.
    Troll Clinton with the goods. Should have saw these responses a mile away and stayed away from the bait thread.

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    case in point. a kid is less likely to act rationally, which inherently makes him dangerous. what if it was a real gun?
    Dude was outnumbered 2 to 1--how would a 12-year old be able to take down these two cops? If you have to shoot what happened to the mantra that you shoot to disarm. Use the training to your advantage. Shooting first and then asking questions leads one to believe that there is a lack of quality training.

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    The fundamental issue here is why are blacks to stupid too realize that they're in the face of an authoritative figure and that they need to comply?
    becuz fuk da police muh fukka

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    Dude was outnumbered 2 to 1--how would a 12-year old be able to take down these two cops? If you have to shoot what happened to the mantra that you shoot to disarm. Use the training to your advantage. Shooting first and then asking questions leads one to believe that there is a lack of quality training.
    why does it matter if the kid can or can't take out BOTH cops. if you are one of the cops, are u required to wait for the other guy to get killed before you can defend yourself?

    and shoot to disarm? like in the movies where you shoot the gun out of somebody's hands? and its not like these guys were snipers that could take their time to line up a perfect shot. it was a reaction in the heat of the moment. somebody pulls out a gun, you fire.

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    Dude was outnumbered 2 to 1--how would a 12-year old be able to take down these two cops? If you have to shoot what happened to the mantra that you shoot to disarm. Use the training to your advantage. Shooting first and then asking questions leads one to believe that there is a lack of quality training.
    nah cops are trained to shoot to kill, in that shooting someone should always be a last possible resort, and as such if you have to do it, you put the suspect down for good, but that isnt what happened here. what happened here was woeful incompetence.

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    if you cant operate under pressure and dont like being scrutinized maybe your ass shouldnt have become a cop.

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    why does it matter if the kid can or can't take out BOTH cops. if you are one of the cops, are u required to wait for the other guy to get killed before you can defend yourself?
    Because if its policy to shoot without correctly assessing the situation, it means that either the training is wrong or that they should've approached this situation more cautiously. It has happened out here in Long Beach where the LBPD is notoriously quick to shoot and ask questions later. They recently lost a wrongful death case when the cops shot a dude that had a yard hose in his hand and they shot a transient lady with a shaft less screwdriver. If he was purposely pointing the gun then maybe it was a suicide-by-cop. However, there has to be a better way.

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    nah cops are trained to shoot to kill, in that shooting someone should always be a last possible resort, and as such if you have to do it, you put the suspect down for good, but that isnt what happened here. what happened here was woeful incompetence.
    if you cant operate under pressure and dont like being scrutinized maybe your ass shouldnt have become a cop.
    He's a kid were you really expecting the cops to kill the kid. Given that he pulled out a gun and he should've been shot and all that ...

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    Because if its policy to shoot without correctly assessing the situation, it means that either the training is wrong or that they should've approached this situation more cautiously. It has happened out here in Long Beach where the LBPD is notoriously quick to shoot and ask questions later. They recently lost a wrongful death case when the cops shot a dude that had a yard hose in his hand and they shot a transient lady with a shaft less screwdriver. If he was purposely pointing the gun then maybe it was a suicide-by-cop. However, there has to be a better way.
    i'm not suggesting those situations you mentioned are justified. but you get a call that there's someone with a gun (possibly real/possibly fake) and when u get out of the car, first thing the kid does is whip a gun out, i dont think anybody is going to sit there with the jeopardy music playing in their head trying to "assess the situation"

    maybe if the kid's first action WASNT to pull a gun out in front of the cops, or at the very least had kept the orange safety tip on (which is mandatory literally for this exact reason), the situation would have called for something else

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    We got allot of armchair badasses here.

    Shoot to disarm...wtf?

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    i'm not suggesting those situations you mentioned are justified. but you get a call that there's someone with a gun (possibly real/possibly fake) and when u get out of the car, first thing the kid does is whip a gun out, i dont think anybody is going to sit there with the jeopardy music playing in their head trying to "assess the situation"

    maybe if the kid's first action WASNT to pull a gun out in front of the cops, or at the very least had kept the orange safety tip on (which is mandatory literally for this exact reason), the situation would have called for something else
    That is true about the orange tip. Not sure why anyone would do that. As a kid, I made sure my whole gun was neon orange. It is a tough situation to dissect. I guess it will be interesting to see how this one plays out especially with the American public already doing their thing in regards to Ferguson.

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    We got allot of armchair badasses here.

    Shoot to disarm...wtf?
    It's called having a discussion, you .

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    my mom would slap me silly if she saw me with a bb gun in a park

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    What kind of idiotic post is this? Side with the victim who pulled a weapon that looks real on cops of all people? How ing stupid are you?
    Yeah I'm siding with a 12 year old kid who probably didn't have a lot of time to process "Don't pull your gun out, even if it's to show the cop that it's fake." Cops know better. Why the did they pull up so close?

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    That is true about the orange tip. Not sure why anyone would do that. As a kid, I made sure my whole gun was neon orange. It is a tough situation to dissect. I guess it will be interesting to see how this one plays out especially with the American public already doing their thing in regards to Ferguson.
    We always removed or colored over any part of the gun that made it look like a toy. But we were white and playing army, which is totally different.

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    That is true about the orange tip. Not sure why anyone would do that. As a kid, I made sure my whole gun was neon orange. It is a tough situation to dissect. I guess it will be interesting to see how this one plays out especially with the American public already doing their thing in regards to Ferguson.
    Well, considering the mother asked that the video be released, I think she is acknowledged the police were not at fault.

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